OT- The Queen's Christmas Day Message to the Commonwealth

[ramAnag]

If I was to claim that that all second and third generation Asian and black immigrants weren't british, would you say that I was racist?

I’d certainly query what your motivation was.

[Rob_the_Ram]

If I was to claim that that all second and third generation Asian and black immigrants weren't british, would you say that I was racist?

Oh how I wish I’d thought of this in discussing the Britishness of our Royal Family.

[roger_ramjet]

Indeed Rob, a veritable "tour de force" observation, especially in response to a strongly pro EU integration candidate!

[swaledale]

Oh so are you going to abolish the Courts system as well as abolishing the Royalty?
Because no Court is going to allow confiscation of property owned by them.

Unless of course you have some Communist or Putin style govt that can seize private property.
An example happened in 1936-7, after King Edward VIII abdicated. King George VI had to buy back some of the properties the former owned as heir and successor to the Crown.
And yes, you'd need to get the Scots to agree too. They almost would want to make their own decisions on the matter if theres6 going to be changed or repeal of the Act of Settlement.

Sounds very easy this abolishment. But the problems it's going to cause and burden the country.
Again the point is why change something that's working?
And it's not 21st century moving forward etc, Sweden, Holland, Denmark and Luxembourg are European countries that have monarchs. I don't see them clamouring for a change.

If Parliament laid down legislation which abolished the Monarchy and brought "their" land into public ownership then that would clearly override the courts - abolition would not necessarily cause any problems though it might not sit well with the establishment. I didn't say it would be easy, but then such major changes in civilisation rarely are.

The status of the Monarch in those other countries, Sweden, Denmark and Holland in particular is entirely different from that in the UK, possibly because there is less of a history of an entitled aristocracy. They modernised, the UK Royal family has been dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century, well its got to the 19th century and the relationship between the Monarch and the "subjects" in the Uk is rather odd for a democracy.

[swaledale]

Indeed Rob, a veritable "tour de force" observation, especially in response to a strongly pro EU integration candidate!

Does it not demonstrate that anti eu sentiments are in fact a lost cause? One of the driving forces (not the only one) for Brexit is this so called loss of identity, yet the meaning of nationality is changing all the time, people from all races and all countries interact togetehr and live around the globe.

[roger_ramjet]

Does it not demonstrate that anti eu sentiments are in fact a lost cause? One of the driving forces (not the only one) for Brexit is this so called loss of identity, yet the meaning of nationality is changing all the time, people from all races and all countries interact togetehr and live around the globe.

You sound like that ride at Disneyland Swale

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJFGAX77zw4

But you are right that the "British" identity is a lost cause and has been since Svein Forkbeard's time. We are a mongrel race and always have been - which makes 20th Century anti Asian/Caribbean immigration issues even more absurd. The continued evolution of what it is to be "British" will go on and on, EU or not - we will still need migrant labour to do the jobs our indigenous current generation of mongrel worker doesnt want to do. So maybe the "British" of the 22nd century will have absorbed some of the positive work ethic of the eastern europeans, and we might win some medals in the female olympic field events?

Integration of other races' character traits has made us what we are and long may it continue to the extent that we evolve positively - although, sad to say, that integration (which previously arose naturally) is now being forced by an overbearing "inclusiveness" culture.

Right, there's a whole new thread opened up - who'd have thought - eugenics on a football messageboard!

[ramAnag]

Indeed Rob, a veritable "tour de force" observation, especially in response to a strongly pro EU integration candidate!

Must be missing something...someone points out the irony of Eurosceptics being so supportive of a monarchy which is essentially European in origin and someone else questions whether it’s racist to question whether second and third generation Asians and Africans can be considered ‘British’.

The two points have little in common as far as I can see.

[Ram59]

I’d certainly query what your motivation was.

My motivation was purely a reply to Swale's claim that the Royal family were not British.

[ramAnag]

My motivation was purely a reply to Swale's claim that the Royal family were not British.

Ah...I see. Interesting that you should use Africans and Asians to make your point rather than, for example, Poles and Ukrainians.

[Ram59]

Must be missing something...someone points out the irony of Eurosceptics being so supportive of a monarchy which is essentially European in origin and someone else questions whether it’s racist to question whether second and third generation Asians and Africans can be considered ‘British’.

The two points have little in common as far as I can see.

Yes you are missing something, through your dislike of the Royal family and your support of swale, you can't see that it is no different to call the Royal family not British as it is other second and third generation immigrants. It is the same insult and is wrong in both accounts.