FAO Ghost and Pboro.

[pboromag]

well he is worse than i thought then

only kinnear has a worse record than rafa

in the prem
to my knowledge kinnear didnt have a couple of transfer windows or pre seasons

how bad is rafa

he is like an old rs mexico

we all look at him thinking how great they were
yet in todays market they are miles behind in performance

just like rafa

get a new model in with the potential to have more than a 1 in 3 win ratio

as rafa has just about that at this level with us

[ghostrider]

I think people are using championship games as a premier league statistic.
Rafa's been put on a massive pedestal but the truth is, he's overhyped.

However, regardless of the fact he's pound for pound down there with our worst premier managers, he has the chance to change all that (assuming he stays) and become one of the best, if not the best by tweaking his squad and making no excuses about it being a championship squad...then just getting on with providing us fans with the football we deserve....not the football we are coaxed into believing we have to have in order to keep us safe, gobbledygook.

[Geordie1974]

Pboro

Back to 2004 these are the managers (didnt bother with Carver for the few games he had) and their records so statistically Rafa ISNT the worst manager the club have had in the Premier League that goes to Kinnear, McLaren then Fat Sham.

Souness - 13 September 2004 2 February 2006 83 36 18 29 43.37%

Roeder - 2 February 2006 6 May 2007 72 33 24 15 45.83%

Allardyce - 15 May 2007 9 January 2008 24 8 6 10 33.3%

Kinnear - 26 September 2008 7 February 2009 18 4 8 6 22.2%

Hughton - 8 September 2008 29 September 2008 4 0 0 4 0.0%
7 February 2009 2 April 2009 6 1 2 3 16.7%
1 June 2009 6 December 2010 70 39 17 14 55.7%

Pardew - 9 December 2010 30 December 2014 185 71 41 73 38.4%

McLaren - 10 June 2015 11 March 2016 31 7 6 18 22.6%

Benitez - 11 March 2016 Present 104 49 21 34 47.1%

Just thought I would expand this a little and put up every manager we have had in the Premier League.
All Newcastle United Managers
Manager From Until Hons W D L Total Win%
Rafael Benitez 2016 Now 0 38 18 27 83 45.78
Steve McClaren 2015 2016 0 8 8 18 34 23.53
John Carver (caretaker) 2015 2015 0 3 4 13 20 15.00
Alan Pardew 2010 2015 0 71 42 73 186 38.17
Chris Hughton 2009 2010 1 39 17 14 70 55.71
Alan Shearer (caretaker) 2009 2009 0 1 2 5 8 12.50
Joe Kinnear 2008 2009 0 5 11 10 26 19.23
Chris Hughton (caretaker) 2008 2008 0 0 0 4 4 0.00
Kevin Keegan 2008 2008 0 7 6 9 22 31.82
Nigel Pearson (caretaker) 2008 2008 0 1 0 1 2 50.00
Sam Allardyce 2007 2008 0 8 6 10 24 33.33
Nigel Pearson (caretaker) 2007 2007 0 0 1 0 1 0.00
Glenn Roeder 2006 2007 1 33 16 24 73 45.21
Graeme Souness 2004 2006 0 36 18 29 83 43.37
John Carver (caretaker) 2004 2004 0 1 0 0 1 100.00
Bobby Robson 1999 2004 0 119 64 72 255 46.67
Steve Clarke (caretaker) 1999 1999 0 0 0 1 1 0.00
Ruud Gullit 1998 1999 0 18 14 20 52 34.62
Kenny Dalglish 1997 1998 0 30 22 26 78 38.46
Terry McDermott (caretaker) 1997 1997 0 0 1 0 1 0.00
Kevin Keegan 1992 1997 1 138 51 62 251 54.9

Think it's fair to say if read properly the facts and not opinion.We have had far worse than Rafa.Going by them stats as well.The fat slug is the worst owner we have had in the Premier League.

[waalsendmick]

all the lowest percentages seem to be since Jabba the slug bought the club, so in fact, Rafa has got a decent return whilst trying to raise the titanic.

[Geordie1974]

Now I know not all the games for Rafa and Hughton on them stats were in the Premier League,but one thing is for certain.Both relegations were under the ownership of the fat slug.
Choice between Carver,McClaren,Pardew,Allardyce,Gullit,Kinnear.Th ink Rafa wins hands down.Every single one of them is an a##ehole.Who in there time here managed to embarrass themselves in the media.

[sherwoodmag]

Draw with Liverpool and beat Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea on a very tight budget.

I can't remember any other manager doing that in the Prem including KK and Sir Bob with much better spending power and strikers like Shearer,Sir Les,Asprilla and Owen in the side.

It just shows what a couple of numpties we have posting on here.

[AP69]

Draw with Liverpool and beat Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea on a very tight budget.

I can't remember any other manager doing that in the Prem including KK and Sir Bob with much better spending power and strikers like Shearer,Sir Les,Asprilla and Owen in the side.

It just shows what a couple of numpties we have posting on here.

Prepare for long winded response....

[sherwoodmag]

Draw with Liverpool and beat Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea on a very tight budget.

I can't remember any other manager doing that in the Prem including KK and Sir Bob with much better spending power and strikers like Shearer,Sir Les,Asprilla and Owen in the side.

It just shows what a couple of numpties we have posting on here.

I havnt even mentioned the likes of Bellamy,Ginola.Beardsley,Andy Cole,Rob Lee, decent money spent on them at the time.Yes KK and Robson played good football but it cost big money,Shearer fee was a WORLD record.Rafa has had to feed on scraps.

[tinostongue]

Draw with Liverpool and beat Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea on a very tight budget.

I can't remember any other manager doing that in the Prem including KK and Sir Bob with much better spending power and strikers like Shearer,Sir Les,Asprilla and Owen in the side.

It just shows what a couple of numpties we have posting on here.

The 2 numpties are just wum nothing else. Its obvious they CANNOT be nufc fans, with attitudes like they have man! I have never come across 2 (or1) blokes who talk so much drivel. If they are ncle fans they would like 99% of us be basking in a good season, considering everything that our WORLD CLASS MANAGER has had to deal with.

[tinostongue]

I think people are using championship games as a premier league statistic.
Rafa's been put on a massive pedestal but the truth is, he's overhyped.

However, regardless of the fact he's pound for pound down there with our worst premier managers, he has the chance to change all that (assuming he stays) and become one of the best, if not the best by tweaking his squad and making no excuses about it being a championship squad...then just getting on with providing us fans with the football we deserve....not the football we are coaxed into believing we have to have in order to keep us safe, gobbledygook.

You talk a load of ****e mate!