Just a thought

[Truthful]

Is that why Nolan has no authority to influence the officials then?

The point remains- if you get a reputation as a mouthy so & so who will claim everything and scream blue murder at every decision, unless you’ve got a full trophy cabinet at home it ain’t gonna do you any favours at all.

[jackal2]

Is that why Nolan has no authority to influence the officials then?

The point remains- if you get a reputation as a mouthy so & so who will claim everything and scream blue murder at every decision, unless you’ve got a full trophy cabinet at home it ain’t gonna do you any favours at all.

Nolan has played at the top level domestically for many years, several leagues higher than some of these referees have ever operated, and will have seen the standards of refereeing at Premier League level at close hand, so he's arguably better qualified to judge the performance of most of these lower level refs than either they (and in some cases perhaps even their assessors!) are.

I can see your point that shouting at incompetents is perhaps likely to make them react defensively and exaggerate that incompetency, but it must be very frustrating being told what you can and can't do by someone who hasn't operated close to the level you've achieved.

Earlier this season, Premier League ref Mike Jones came to referee our home game against Swansea in the FA Cup, and his command of the game was such a stunning improvement on what we're normally used to seeing that many fans went home talking about how good the ref was. And that doesn't happen often. I can barely remember Jones putting a foot wrong in 90 minutes, and unsurprisingly both managers were very calm throughout a very exciting game.

[tarquinbeech]

Nolan has played at the top level domestically for many years, several leagues higher than some of these referees have ever operated, and will have seen the standards of refereeing at Premier League level at close hand, so he's arguably better qualified to judge the performance of most of these lower level refs than either they (and in some cases perhaps even their assessors!) are.

I can see your point that shouting at incompetents is perhaps likely to make them react defensively and exaggerate that incompetency, but it must be very frustrating being told what you can and can't do by someone who hasn't operated close to the level you've achieved.

Earlier this season, Premier League ref Mike Jones came to referee our home game against Swansea in the FA Cup, and his command of the game was such a stunning improvement on what we're normally used to seeing that many fans went home talking about how good the ref was. And that doesn't happen often. I can barely remember Jones putting a foot wrong in 90 minutes, and unsurprisingly both managers were very calm throughout.

....but the point still remains Jackal....is it possible that refs have now got wind of Nolo's screaming abuse, and are less inclined to give us decisions, and possibly, just possibly, deliberately rule against us?....genuine question, and one I have pondered a few times.

Think chubby, screaming Fat Evans....nobody remotely likes the guy.

[jackal2]

....but the point still remains Jackal....is it possible that refs have now got wind of Nolo's screaming abuse, and are less inclined to give us decisions, and possibly, just possibly, deliberately rule against us?....genuine question, and one I have pondered a few times.

Think chubby, screaming Fat Evans....nobody remotely likes the guy.

My central point was that respect in life should be earned rather than demanded by unworthy people who rely on a false hierarchical structure.

As I've said above, I do see the point Truthful and yourself are making and it would probably need some considerable analysis to determine whether the complainers get more decisions for or against them.

On face value, the aforementioned Mourinho and Sir Alex Ferguson are/were notorious for losing their rag with officials, as are Neil Warnock and Steve Evans, but all four of those managers are either extremely or relatively successful in winning trophies or getting teams promoted, so perhaps putting pressure on the officials actually gets you a few more decisions if measured over a long period of time (rather than one game against Coventry in Nolan's case).

At the opposite end of the spectrum you could say Brian Clough was also very successful and was well recognised for almost never criticising referees, so did that work for him or not? Would Roger Milford have sent off Paul Gascoigne in the 1991 FA Cup Final, as he should have, if the Forest players and manager had surrounded him and put him under pressure to do so?

It's a difficult question to answer, with evidence either way. Personally, I think managers each have their own personalities on the touchline and their success or failure over time probably isn't fundamentally determined by their effect on officials.

[tarquinbeech]

My central point was that respect in life should be earned rather than demanded by unworthy people who rely on a false hierarchical structure.

As I've said above, I do see the point Truthful and yourself are making and it would probably need some considerable analysis to determine whether the complainers get more decisions for or against them.

On face value, the aforementioned Mourinho and Sir Alex Ferguson are/were notorious for losing their rag with officials, as are Neil Warnock and Steve Evans, but all four of those managers are either extremely or relatively successful in winning trophies or getting teams promoted, so perhaps putting pressure on the officials actually gets you a few more decisions if measured over a long period of time (rather than one game against Coventry in Nolan's case).

At the opposite end of the spectrum you could say Brian Clough was also very successful and was well recognised for almost never criticising referees, so did that work for him or not? Would Roger Milford have sent off Paul Gascoigne in the 1991 FA Cup Final, as he should have, if the Forest players and manager had surrounded him and put him under pressure to do so?

It's a difficult question to answer, with evidence either way. Personally, I think managers each have their own personalities on the touchline and their success or failure over time probably isn't fundamentally determined by their effect on officials.

Good point Jackal....we will wait and see if Nolo earns the respect of refs instead of berating them for possible errors...time will tell