Posters leaving

[ghostrider]

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[sherwoodmag]

And the problem is, it isn't just by one or two, it's by a whole host of people ruining threads but two generally seem to get blamed for it.

One in particular who is a WUM but you often defend him.
He calls Geordies.
He insults the city of Newcastle
He knows that the North East has lost its traditional industries of ship building,heavy engineering and coal mining so deliberately praises the likes of Thatcher as a wind up.

This is supposed to be a football forum dedicated to Newcastle United not a place to wind up posters,he should go to a forum of one of our rivals to do that.

[ghostrider]

One in particular who is a WUM but you often defend him.

I defend him when he deserves to be defended against a tirade of abuse that you and other seem to think is fine because mass opinion says it's fine. It's not fine mate, unless it's fine for ALL which include the minority.

He calls Geordies.

So what?
I've seen his area and all kinds of things being called, but again it appears that's fine because it's just pboro, right?.................WRONG.

He insults the city of Newcastle

Insults it, how?
He gets a hell of a lot of stuff insulting to him but again it seems fine until he gives it back and doesn't back down. No chance mate. Teet for tat it may be but one side can't cry foul against another based on mass and not expect the minority to cry foul when necessary to counteract.

He knows that the North East has lost its traditional industries of ship building,heavy engineering and coal mining so deliberately praises the likes of Thatcher as a wind up.

Look mate I'm from the north east and I've seen lots of stuff lost as well, but we aren't unique and he is correct about Thatcher whether you like it or not or agree with it or not. It's not just a one way track.
I hated the woman because I was indoctrinated to do no other and was ignorant at the time to even know to do anything else, or see the two sides....or many sides to any story or any goings on , whether it was Thatcher or whoever.

I find the bloke interesting. I'm not joking.
Do I agree with everything he says?.....No I don't....but just because I don;t it doesn't mean he deserves any less of a fair deal than many on here get and the mods generally see that, which is why he's allowed to post.
The mods are generally put under severe pressure to do something about him because they're looking at a mass of posters all jumping on him or most likely many pressing a complain button.

Losing the likes of pboro will simply wind this forum down to trickle posts in short order...in my absolute honest opinion.
You think there's only two of us with similar views on stuff?
Mate, there would be many more but who in the hell will come on and say it amid the barrage of garbage that gets spewed?
Ohhh look, occult is pboro/ghost. Even Hughie was called it when he had the cheek to agree with pboro.

This is what's going on mate and it stinks....but you know what? I'm not complaining. All I did was put a load on ignore to save me from replying and making matters worse.
I've now cleared my ignore list and happy to debate with whoever but I have little time for the haters.

This is supposed to be a football forum dedicated to Newcastle United not a place to wind up posters,he should go to a forum of one of our rivals to do that.

Aye it is, so does that mean every post is about Newcastle and no posts about anything else?
How long do you think the forum would last with that?

Are you also trying to say that only pboro and myself talk about other things and everyone else doesn't?
Maybe you can explain this bit a little better because it seems to me the dedication bit is not quite clear in terms of how dedicated and who for.

[ex_pat_magpie]

It's not a question of no posts about anything else though. The point that Mick was trying to get over to you is that when ever anyone disagrees with him he becomes abusive and insulting leading to other posters retaliating then he plays the victim.

It is never a poster calling him first and that unless you are totally biased is hypocritical to defend.

[ghostrider]

It's not a question of no posts about anything else though. The point that Mick was trying to get over to you is that when ever anyone disagrees with him he becomes abusive and insulting leading to other posters retaliating then he plays the victim.

It is never a poster calling him first and that unless you are totally biased is hypocritical to defend.

But that's not the whole truth, is it? Because I see 6 of one and half a dozen of the other...but there's one bit of difference in that. It's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other but with a mass of posters all having a crack.
Nobody's innocent who takes part but not one or two are guilty and the rest not.

The major issue is in any thread that he puts up or even posts in. It's simply deemed as a wind up and baiting, etc.
You even put one up yourself to bait. I've seen many baiting threads and yet pboro is the guilty party all the time?

No chance mate.

[ex_pat_magpie]

But that's not the whole truth, is it? Because I see 6 of one and half a dozen of the other...but there's one bit of difference in that. It's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other but with a mass of posters all having a crack.
Nobody's innocent who takes part but not one or two are guilty and the rest not.

The major issue is in any thread that he puts up or even posts in. It's simply deemed as a wind up and baiting, etc.
You even put one up yourself to bait. I've seen many baiting threads and yet pboro is the guilty party all the time?

No chance mate.

I think your total bias has upset your equanimity Ghost. The amount of anti Rafa posts are out of all proportion to normal posting.

I recently asked Pboro to count how many anti Rafa posts he had begun over the last few months and a reply hasn't been forthcoming.

And before you jump on your high horse and bleat about anti Ashley posts I would like you to take facts into consideration.

If you yourself claimed that more than 10% of posters or fans overall supported Ashley that would be an exaggeration.

Equally if you accepted that less than 10% of posters on here or fans overall were anti Rafa you would find a poll would give a tiny amount (if you don't accept this then be a man and take a poll)

On those figures alone mathematically there should be 100 (10% x 10) more pro Rafa posts to pro Ashley ones.

Call for a few opinions and see.

Now you go back and count how many anti Rafa wind ups there have been by Pboro. So they are 100's of times disproportionate to general opinion.

Continuously bringing up the Thatcher thing when it wasn't even in the thread before is obviously a childish thing to do aimed at creating hate and nothing else more. What other reason could there be to introduce that when it was totally irrelevant to the thread and there is no way you can condone that without bringing your self down to the same level.

And you know as well as every one else it's not merely a situation of for or against Thatcher. It was a specific attempt to stir hate.

[ghostrider]

I think your total bias has upset your equanimity Ghost. The amount of anti Rafa posts are out of all proportion to normal posting.

So are the anti Ashley posts no matter how you spin it.
And it's not exactly anti Rafa, It's simply some critical analysis of what he does. It's not all bad.

I recently asked Pboro to count how many anti Rafa posts he had begun over the last few months and a reply hasn't been forthcoming.

Maybe he doesn't want to count them. You count them and maybe count your anti Ashley posts into the bargain if you want to play fair.

And before you jump on your high horse and bleat about anti Ashley posts I would like you to take facts into consideration.

The high horse seems to be taken by both sides here, as I see it.

If you yourself claimed that more than 10% of posters or fans overall supported Ashley that would be an exaggeration.

You merely saying it does not make it the truth. You're simply going on what you perceive it to be.
The reality is, people will simply follow the path of least resistance...or go with the flow .....the mass flow.

Equally if you accepted that less than 10% of posters on here or fans overall were anti Rafa you would find a poll would give a tiny amount (if you don't accept this then be a man and take a poll)

I don't know many people that are anti Rafa but then again why would they be?
Don't mix up anti Rafa with critical of Rafa.
I've said time and again that he's a good manager and so has pboro but he's simply bringing up his own critical analysis whether people like it or not and he's entitled to it whether people like it or not, just as you and others are entitled to bring up anti Ashley threads or whatever.

On those figures alone mathematically there should be 100 (10% x 10) more pro Rafa posts to pro Ashley ones.

Call for a few opinions and see.

I don't need to call on opinions.
Everyone has an opinion but many opinion will follow the mass opinion as a build. That's the real nature of life. Mimicking and follow the leader.
However in Rafa's case he's rightly lauded but it does not make him immune to being picked apart as much as praised.

Now you go back and count how many anti Rafa wind ups there have been by Pboro. So they are 100's of times disproportionate to general opinion.

I don't need to. I see what you deem as anti Rafa at times and I see what is deemed as anti Ashley at times.
If it winds you up or anyone else, don't take part...or do take part and debate it without resorting to badness between each other and accept that there's always two or more sides to every story.

Continuously bringing up the Thatcher thing when it wasn't even in the thread before is obviously a childish thing to do aimed at creating hate and nothing else more. What other reason could there be to introduce that when it was totally irrelevant to the thread and there is no way you can condone that without bringing your self down to the same level.

It was relevant. It was the north south divide and it was bound to bring up stuff like this. That's what topics generally seep into as they go along.
Here's something for you.
Did every person in the country hate Thatcher?

You know the answer is no and you also know she did as much good as she did bad but then again that depends on who's seeing it and who's being sold whatever stories for whatever regions and all the rest.
Topics get interesting when there's debate and you can never debate anything if everyone just shouts hear hear except for the little voice at the back who's shouted down and drowned out.

And you know as well as every one else it's not merely a situation of for or against Thatcher. It was a specific attempt to stir hate.

No it wasn't and attempt to stir hate. It was an attempt to stir debate that gave two sides their pedestal or as you mentioned earlier.....high horse standing.

If each person is digging each other in the arm, one person will eventually cry foul and pick a reason to do so without making it appear there was some kind of loss.
it's just a case of taking part or not but when you do you've got to understand what you're taking part in...and you all clearly do with pbnoro and myself.

[Stanleymag]

Do you know what. I'm sick to death of reading the same drivel from the same drivellers time after time after time.

[ghostrider]

Do you know what. I'm sick to death of reading the same drivel from the same drivellers time after time after time.

Then don't read it.

[Stanleymag]

Take it from me I didn't.

Took a glimpse, saw your name appear and thought here's another thread down the pan.

Your mate will be along shortly.

That's exactly why posters are leaving.