rafa vs Ashley

[ghostrider]

Fully agree with your post Ghost so Rafa knew what he was getting himself in for so he is perfectly entitled to see out his contract until the end of the season.

If he feels that he doesn’t want to carry on after that then so be it, it is up to him but he is doing no wrong by honouring his existing contract.

I agree he's theoretically done no wrong if he sees out his contract. It's very similar to a player seeing out his contract. We all hate it but accept the fact that the club gave that contract and is stuck with it if the person involved refuses to budge.

However, we all know that, although Rafa is technically in the right to do what he's doing....morally it's wrong of him to do it, irrespective of how morally wrong, spiteful, greedy, stubborn or ( any person add in anything) whatever, Ashley is.

People already know their own script with Ashley...but think about it this way. Imagine Ashley leaves and PCP or someone comes in.
They ask Rafa to sign on but Rafa says " I will when you show me your ambition with readies."

They tell him he will get them when he extends his contract seeing as he has one year left.
Same scenario but there would be a different fan mindset on it, if you get me.

No matter what, we have to see it from a Newcastle United safety point of view rather than siding with a manager who's simply refusing to commit until whatever he's asked for is placed before him.
And to repeat it again...Ashley is not willing to sanction deals on any reasonable scale on a manager who appears to be using the fan reverence and historical successes to basically blackmail his way to his own wants.

I'm well aware we need funds and I'm well aware we need them sooner rather than later...but a manager for one more season allowed to buy players that another manager may need to offload to reshape in his own image, is a potential banana skin...and not to mention having a manager that's basically running half heartedly under fan discontent and player disillusionment.

Best case for me is for Rafa to sign and just get on with it, with what's available in cash plus sales.

Next best is for Rafa to negotiate a get out with Ashley for a portion of his salary for the season in order to allow Ashley and co to get in another manager early enough to get to grips with matters, with whatever funds are available. As long as the manager identified, is competent.

[pboromag]

I think the fact that Rafa stated himself that ashley had not delivered what he had promised regarding transfers last season, is pretty definitive and reason enough for him not tyo believe what he is told without it being written down on tablets of stone

So if he didn't get what was promised why didn't he go
Cause no pheck rates him at the level he is at the wages he pulls
So why hold the club to ransom now

[TheOtherTerryMac]

I agree he's theoretically done no wrong if he sees out his contract. It's very similar to a player seeing out his contract. We all hate it but accept the fact that the club gave that contract and is stuck with it if the person involved refuses to budge.

However, we all know that, although Rafa is technically in the right to do what he's doing....morally it's wrong of him to do it, irrespective of how morally wrong, spiteful, greedy, stubborn or ( any person add in anything) whatever, Ashley is.

People already know their own script with Ashley...but think about it this way. Imagine Ashley leaves and PCP or someone comes in.
They ask Rafa to sign on but Rafa says " I will when you show me your ambition with readies."

They tell him he will get them when he extends his contract seeing as he has one year left.
Same scenario but there would be a different fan mindset on it, if you get me.

No matter what, we have to see it from a Newcastle United safety point of view rather than siding with a manager who's simply refusing to commit until whatever he's asked for is placed before him.
And to repeat it again...Ashley is not willing to sanction deals on any reasonable scale on a manager who appears to be using the fan reverence and historical successes to basically blackmail his way to his own wants.

I'm well aware we need funds and I'm well aware we need them sooner rather than later...but a manager for one more season allowed to buy players that another manager may need to offload to reshape in his own image, is a potential banana skin...and not to mention having a manager that's basically running half heartedly under fan discontent and player disillusionment.

Best case for me is for Rafa to sign and just get on with it, with what's available in cash plus sales.

Next best is for Rafa to negotiate a get out with Ashley for a portion of his salary for the season in order to allow Ashley and co to get in another manager early enough to get to grips with matters, with whatever funds are available. As long as the manager identified, is competent.

Your last paragraph get out clause is probably the way to go as I can’t see any parties budging on what appears to be on the table

Ashley could also just pay Rafa off now and get someone else in now. He’s hated anyway so doing that wouldn’t alienate himself from the fans any more than he is now.

He could also let Rafa run the team and get s new manager in with say 10 games to go. With no new players on the horizon though and the big boys circling around our players I feel the worse for the fans for next season.

[ashingtoon62]

Was going to post something relative on this thread,read the first page and divvint think I will bother...

[toptoon]

Cause no pheck rates him at the level he is at the wages he pulls

I think you´ll find that that statement is utter boll*cks.

[Jammy89]

I think you´ll find that that statement is utter boll*cks.

You forgot complete.

It's complete and utter boll*cks.