CBE for Boss of Network Rail

[oldcolner]

What is this establishment that is looking after him Sinkov.

Carne was born in Helensburgh, got a BSc at Exeter University in Engineering and did a top up accountancy course at Cambridge - not the University but the college of Arts and Technology.
He’s probably one of his own - I guess no one else will have that pedigree.

Logie Baird came from there but went to Glasgow!

[oldcolner]

Trying to claim that rail travel was inherently unsafe or dangerous under British Rail is simply re-writing history, it wasn't.

This table suggests otherwise. No deaths since 2014
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...United_Kingdom

[oldcolner]

There were vastly more trains running when I was working for British Rail in the 60s, the safety record was pretty good, given the huge number of trains they were running and the millions of passengers carried.



Passenger numbers 1829 - 2016 - note growth since privatisation is the last sector.

[sinkov]

Trying to claim that rail travel was inherently unsafe or dangerous under British Rail is simply re-writing history, it wasn't.

This table suggests otherwise. No deaths since 2014
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...United_Kingdom

Not quite sure of your point, the fact that there have been no deaths since 2014, does not make the Rail system when I worked on it unsafe, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with privatisation, simply modern signalling techniques and much safer, better constructed rolling stock. The last year I worked for British Rail was 1966, according to your Wiki figures there was just ONE accident that year. Like I said, a perfectly safe system.

[sinkov]

There were vastly more trains running when I was working for British Rail in the 60s, the safety record was pretty good, given the huge number of trains they were running and the millions of passengers carried.



Passenger numbers 1829 - 2016 - note growth since privatisation is the last sector.

Why are you quoting passenger numbers when I'm talking about the number of trains running ? And of course passenger numbers are rising, the population of the country has increased by about 8 million since privatisation and the roads are becoming over crowded. It doesn't matter. privatised or nationalised, more people will be using the railways if they want to get around. it's not evidence of a successful privatisation, it's evidence of a rising population and an increasingly grid locked road system.

[oldcolner]

Why are you quoting passenger numbers when I'm talking about the number of trains running ? And of course passenger numbers are rising, the population of the country has increased by about 8 million since privatisation and the roads are becoming over crowded. It doesn't matter. privatised or nationalised, more people will be using the railways if they want to get around. it's not evidence of a successful privatisation, it's evidence of a rising population and an increasingly grid locked road system.

Happy for you to show me train numbers if you can find them Sinkov. So more than doubling passenger numbers isn’t evidence of success?
Freight has also increased, so some lines are at their maximum capacity and longer trains and platforms are now needed to cope. Anyway we’re getting away from the CBE. You can’t grow passengers without growing the infrastructure and that’s what Network Rail have had to do whilst improving safety.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I read somewhere that Network Rail intend to sell off loads of our assets to fund redevelopment. I'll bet the Cayman Islands can't wait!

[oldcolner]

Not quite sure of your point, the fact that there have been no deaths since 2014, does not make the Rail system when I worked on it unsafe, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with privatisation, simply modern signalling techniques and much safer, better constructed rolling stock. The last year I worked for British Rail was 1966, according to your Wiki figures there was just ONE accident that year. Like I said, a perfectly safe system.

Rather Selective use of statistics so my selection
1963 5 accidents 9 killed
1964 6 accidents 10 killed
1965 6 accidents 9 killed
1967 6 accidents 71 killed 193 injured
1968 6 accidents 22 killed 42 injured
1969 5 accidents 15 killed 216 injured

Things went downhill after you left! Not many folk would consider this perfect or safe.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

All I know is that if i miss a train on the Jubilee Line, another one arrives within three minutes.

If I want to visit sinkov in Clitheroe and go by train from Bolton, I might catch a train sometime next week and it's odds on when it eventually arrives it will be full to bursting.

How's the proposed outwards travelling branch line from Clitheroe up to Hellifield and beyond going sinkov?

CBE my arse!

[sinkov]

All I know is that if i miss a train on the Jubilee Line, another one arrives within three minutes.

If I want to visit sinkov in Clitheroe and go by train from Bolton, I might catch a train sometime next week and it's odds on when it eventually arrives it will be full to bursting.

How's the proposed outwards travelling branch line from Clitheroe up to Hellifield and beyond going sinkov?

CBE my arse!

The line's in place BT, the occasional special train uses it, freight trains use it, sometimes it's used as a diversion route if there are problems/maintenance work on the WCML, but the chances of Northern providing regular passenger services on it are remote to non-existent imo.