Just summed that shambles up

[islaydarkblue]

Nobody wants the manager to be a success more than me but that was a shocker yesterday.

Cups are big for me and it would be indefensible if we don't get out of this group....not a sacking but indefensible and puts the manager under severe p.

Warm weather training, not our first game, manager realising the importance of the cups, well backed by the board, there are no excuses for that.

That looked inept to me yesterday though admittedly wasn't at the game and inept tactics and inexperienced/not good enough players would not bode well.

The next game is a big one for the manager and will tell us a lot if the players fancy this Scottish adventure or not.

Peterhead midweek, needing to win.

Let's hope they do for everybody's sake.

In my opinion NM has signed too many foreign players who are not used to the hurly burly of Scottish Football.
Hopefully they will learn quickly but I am not hopeful.

[HuddersfieldDee]

The problem was not beware players it was tactics. Slow passing inviting pressure inside our defensive area. We gave the ball away in bad positions and awful lot.
You need to earn the right to play and also not be predictable. We did neither. We did not compete physically and we were slow and obvious in build up.
As for the keeper, came and stopped for the goal, which caused Kerr to try and block the guy rather than compete for the header. Defenders like a keeper to come for crosses, but worst is a keeper whom you don't know whether he is coming or not. As for the save that led to Kasunga getting injured..... Parish did well last year better than Hamilton has shown. Hearts fans called him Flapjack for a reason.

[Returnofrros]

The problem was not beware players it was tactics. Slow passing inviting pressure inside our defensive area. We gave the ball away in bad positions and awful lot.
You need to earn the right to play and also not be predictable. We did neither. We did not compete physically and we were slow and obvious in build up.
As for the keeper, came and stopped for the goal, which caused Kerr to try and block the guy rather than compete for the header. Defenders like a keeper to come for crosses, but worst is a keeper whom you don't know whether he is coming or not. As for the save that led to Kasunga getting injured..... Parish did well last year better than Hamilton has shown. Hearts fans called him Flapjack for a reason.

Hearts fans also sung championes at Dens so what do they know😉

I liked letherham and also like Parish, don't know if we needed another keeper of similar standard.

Neither was as good as Bain but Bain was an arsehole a lot of the times.

As for Kerr, again a player I like and committed but the number of times he has been out muscled at the back post I've lost count of.

If he ain't that good in the air he's got to become more aware of what's around him and try to be more astute at blocking these runs.....invariably there's no one behind him and the last attacker so it's all about stopping the attacker getting to the ball rather than him trying to play the ball in a lot of circumstances.

He also seemed to be initially drawn to the man in the middle.

Keeper did seem to come then change his mind but who knows what the shout, if any, was between the keeper and full back.

Only man who was decisive was the pars player

[islaydarkblue]

Hearts fans also sung championes at Dens so what do they know��

I liked letherham and also like Parish, don't know if we needed another keeper of similar standard.

Neither was as good as Bain but Bain was an arsehole a lot of the times.

As for Kerr, again a player I like and committed but the number of times he has been out muscled at the back post I've lost count of.

If he ain't that good in the air he's got to become more aware of what's around him and try to be more astute at blocking these runs.....invariably there's no one behind him and the last attacker so it's all about stopping the attacker getting to the ball rather than him trying to play the ball in a lot of circumstances.

He also seemed to be initially drawn to the man in the middle.

Keeper did seem to come then change his mind but who knows what the shout, if any, was between the keeper and full back.

Only man who was decisive was the pars player

In my opinion the goal keeper should command his box as he is the only player who is legally allowed to use his hands to catch or punch the ball away.
Since I returned to attending matches at Dens in December 2009 Dundee goalkeepers appear to have been reluctant to come of their line to deal with crosses into the box.
It cannot be down to every manager we have had since then.
Ally Donaldson was a great keeper at dealing with cross balls and he also ‘sorted out’ Jack Charlton in the Fairs Cup tie at Dens.