So basically, you want a democratic vote to overturn a democratic vote to remain in a non democratic organisation. Just grow up.Originally Posted by frenchmagpie
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So basically, you want a democratic vote to overturn a democratic vote to remain in a non democratic organisation. Just grow up.
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Nope.
I want a democratic vote to confirm a democratic vote now the reality of the ****e storm that's about to hit is reality. If the real grown ups decide they don't want to suffer said ****e storm they can say no thanks, if they do they can get out their umbrellas and go for it.
And on what planet do people still trot out this undemocratic EU bullocks. You have heard of European elections and MEPs haven't you ? Commissioners chosen by elected sovereign governments ? You do know the UK civil service isn't elected don't you ? You need to stop reading the Daily Express and get educated.
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I can't remember having a vote in the German election or French, Spanish or any other of the 26 nations. Or is it only our MPs who decide our fate in the EU?
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So do you think the UK govt is undemocratic because you don't get to vote for all 650 MPs ? That was the argument being made - that the EU is undemocratic. It isn't. You may not like their decisions but that's not the point.
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Maybe not liking their decisions is the reason why the country voted to leave?
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I believe the law should come into play when, and only when, someone crosses the line from expressing their view in the form of words to enforcing their view with force or violence, which is unacceptable. I don't even draw the line at one person telling another person to commit violence. To me, the crime is always by the perpetrator of the violence, not by the person who advises it, however unedifying that may be.
I suggest you take in Article 10 of the UN charter for human rights, Mr Jackal. By your definition it would be OK for someone to say 'Mrs May is a ???? and I dearly wish someone would assassinate the ????' AS LONG AS THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY DO IT
Onw of my favourite quotes on this matter is 'Freedom is only freedom when it doesn't interfere with the freedom of others. Then it becomes licence".
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You are correct about my definition. You happen to use Mrs May as an example in your quote, but you could use anyone, including me if you like.
If someone wants to say they would dearly love to assassinate me, I would still prefer they said it. At least I would know where the threat is, and who knows I might be able to use my own freedom of speech to convince them otherwise!
Last edited by jackal2; 08-08-2018 at 11:03 PM.
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Quite possibly. That is how democracy works. It doesn't mean the EU is undemocratic because you don't like their decisions just that you have different views. But you can't change that by leaving.
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Of course the EU is undemocratic.
There are four key institutions of the EU: the European Commission, European Parliament, European Council and the Court of Justice of the EU. Each institution supposedly represents separate interests. The Commission represents the EU, the Parliament represents the people, the Council represents the Governments of each Member State and the Court interprets the law. However, these institutions do not do this in practice, as they all represent large multinationals and an integrationist agenda, as the intention is to create a federal United States of Europe. This new country already has a flag, a Parliament, an anthem, Presidents, currency, a legal system, legal status and a navy - to name just a few.
The EU Commission is the guardian of the treaties and enforces EU law. More importantly, this means it is the Government of Europe which has the sole right to propose the laws which increasingly encroach on our lives here in Britain.
The Commission is made up of 28 unelected commissioners, who cannot be held to account. Each commissioner has a specific policy area in which to create laws. The Commission has a President (currently Jean-Claude Juncker); unlike the other 27 commissioners he is personally elected by the European Parliament, however his was the only name on the ballot paper, not exactly democratic. The Commission is advised by the Directorate General, which along with the Commission is heavily lobbied. Once the Commission proposes an EU law, this proposal is taken to the Parliament.
In effect, everything a nations public wants, is ignored if it goes against the drive for the EUSSR.
This is why the EU will agree to bugger all, whilst the remoaners keep grinding the wheel.
They did it to Ireland/Holland/Denmark. Wear them down until they give in.
No one democratically voted for it. Trade has been the ball and chain to keep countries members. No one voted for political union, only a common markets policy.
Who licensed a hijack?
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