OT - Boris Johnson and the Freedom of Speech

[ramAnag]

Very true, there's 'supposition as fact' on all sides - Facebook is rife with it, a sort of 'Swale Delux'. I really think BBC have lost the plot though, and their obsession with pushing diversity is having a detrimental (ie non-liberal) effect on public opinion.

‘Supposition as fact’ is the tip of the iceberg imo, Andy.
All too often I suspect there is a deliberate attempt to mislead. I believe GUNTERYY’s ‘facts’ about his ‘70% of Muslims’ figure and his Tommy Robinson ‘tortured by prison officers’ claim - neither of which he has returned to substantiate - both fall into that category.
Unless challenged such ‘facts’ begin to become absorbed by the less questioning and more suggestible amongst us which is enormously dangerous.
Don’t really follow your BBC argument though. You’re too intelligent to say things without thinking them through but I just don’t recognise this ‘obsession with diversity’ you speak of. Examples?

[Andy_Faber]

‘Supposition as fact’ is the tip of the iceberg imo, Andy.
All too often I suspect there is a deliberate attempt to mislead. I believe GUNTERYY’s ‘facts’ about his ‘70% of Muslims’ figure and his Tommy Robinson ‘tortured by prison officers’ claim - neither of which he has returned to substantiate - both fall into that category.
Unless challenged such ‘facts’ begin to become absorbed by the less questioning and more suggestible amongst us which is enormously dangerous.
Don’t really follow your BBC argument though. You’re too intelligent to say things without thinking them through but I just don’t recognise this ‘obsession with diversity’ you speak of. Examples?

I'll PM you on that one

[GUNTERYY36]

‘Supposition as fact’ is the tip of the iceberg imo, Andy.
All too often I suspect there is a deliberate attempt to mislead. I believe GUNTERYY’s ‘facts’ about his ‘70% of Muslims’ figure and his Tommy Robinson ‘tortured by prison officers’ claim - neither of which he has returned to substantiate - both fall into that category.
Unless challenged such ‘facts’ begin to become absorbed by the less questioning and more suggestible amongst us which is enormously dangerous.
Don’t really follow your BBC argument though. You’re too intelligent to say things without thinking them through but I just don’t recognise this ‘obsession with diversity’ you speak of. Examples?

I doubt there's any point in providing a link to you about anything, RamAnag. You'll no doubt use your sidestepping strategy again in which you dodge content you don't like by claiming not to have read it.

[GUNTERYY36]

What does interest me is your admission you're not 'sufficiently expert' on Islam. Maybe if you spent more time reading it than wasting your life following the fortunes of Robinson then you'd be able to discuss it more expertly.

[ramAnag]

I doubt there's any point in providing a link to you about anything, RamAnag. You'll no doubt use your sidestepping strategy again in which you dodge content you don't like by claiming not to have read it.

Apologies Gunteryy...I suffered the forum equivalent of locking myself out.
Strange that you only seem to come on here to challenge my politics and write nothing about football...anyway...I don’t know about me ‘sidestepping’ things. I simply choose to take little notice of sources where objectivity plays second fiddle to ‘agenda’. You on the other hand seem to have palpably failed to back up/source your allegations about Muslims, almost certainly because your 70% figure is total and dangerous nonsense.

[GUNTERYY36]

Apologies Gunteryy...I suffered the forum equivalent of locking myself out.
Strange that you only seem to come on here to challenge my politics and write nothing about football...anyway...I don’t know about me ‘sidestepping’ things. I simply choose to take little notice of sources where objectivity plays second fiddle to ‘agenda’. You on the other hand seem to have palpably failed to back up/source your allegations about Muslims, almost certainly because your 70% figure is total and dangerous nonsense.

Life can be so unfair, RamanAnag, what with you locked out and TR locked in You're too sensitive about my challenging your views, I just

happened to notice an interesting thread and took part in it. I happen to be an avid supporter of Barnsley and in the unlikely event of someone mentioning them I'll be happy to join in.

[ramAnag]

Life can be so unfair, RamanAnag, what with you locked out and TR locked in You're too sensitive about my challenging your views, I just

happened to notice an interesting thread and took part in it. I happen to be an avid supporter of Barnsley and in the unlikely event of someone mentioning them I'll be happy to join in.

Not sure about your life being ‘unfair’ comment or how I am being ‘sensitive’, Gunterry.
I’ve often spoken with one of the Barnsley fans on here...nice chap...called Acido...can’t say you seem terribly prolific over there on Tykes Mad though.
I suppose I just find it quite odd when people come from nowhere to make overtly controversial political comments, especially when they are of the ‘70% of Muslims think’ variety and then prove completely unable to substantiate them.

[GUNTERYY36]

Not sure about your life being ‘unfair’ comment or how I am being ‘sensitive’, Gunterry.
I’ve often spoken with one of the Barnsley fans on here...nice chap...called Acido...can’t say you seem terribly prolific over there on Tykes Mad though.
I suppose I just find it quite odd when people come from nowhere to make overtly controversial political comments, especially when they are of the ‘70% of Muslims think’ variety and then prove completely unable to substantiate them.

It was just a throwaway comment, ramAnag, don't worry about it. Life's unfair for everyone. It's true I'm not a prolific poster there but I'm sure I'll receive an invitation some time. Acido's a nice bloke, not a bad word against anyone, but then 70% of all Barnsley fans are.

[ramAnag]

It was just a throwaway comment, ramAnag, don't worry about it. Life's unfair for everyone. It's true I'm not a prolific poster there but I'm sure I'll receive an invitation some time. Acido's a nice bloke, not a bad word against anyone, but then 70% of all Barnsley fans are.

That’s the difference Gunteryy, some comments are indeed just ‘throwaway’ while others, like the ones you made about Muslim women and 70% of Muslims, just need throwing away with the rest of the trash.