Breaking News - New Stadium and Training Facilities

[Pacman1903]

Yeah, I've seen others suggest the same thing for ours. In Germany they call it the Gegengerade and a few clubs have it like that. It's great in combination with standing behind the goals like at St Pauli but not great if it's the only one as it's hard for there to be a focal point for singing.



I'd be pretty disappointed if we only have one end standing at a future stadium. Guarantees the other min. 75% sit on their arse in silence eating popcorn because they think that's their job.

Supposed to be a f@cking superb day out the Millerntor. Couldnt give a f@ck about the links with the pigs(supporting liverpool when not a hun is a bigger faux pas than going to a St Pauli game) Im going to do it one day. Never heard a bad word about the place

[Pacman1903]

To anyone saying one end standing is a bad idea. I disagree as the best atmosphere ive been in at any ground was Rapid Vienna. Behind the goal was standing, was rammed and was a f@cking cacophony. Even at two nil down it was deafening. (The away corner was also standing which the had discussions with opposing fan groups and that was the preference). If people want to stand they will all stand together which MAY create an atmosphere

The only issue i can see with that is. The rest of the crowd will be very scattered as we will never fill it so there will be the huge gaps. But if the atmosphere is rocking in a standing end then it will be a better atmosphere than Pittodrie as its a f@cking morgue.

[Mason89]

Pittodrie is similar to Hampden in that everyone always says the atmospheres shyte & blames the ground. The problem isnt with the stadiums. I’m assuming we’ve all been in both when the atmospheres been magic.

You could make some fairly cheap & superficial changes to a Pittodrie to greatly improve the atmosphere but the club aren’t interested. The LAST thing they want is people enjoying themselves there

[RED_JOHN]

Pittodrie is similar to Hampden in that everyone always says the atmospheres shyte & blames the ground. The problem isnt with the stadiums. I’m assuming we’ve all been in both when the atmospheres been magic.

You could make some fairly cheap & superficial changes to a Pittodrie to greatly improve the atmosphere but the club aren’t interested. The LAST thing they want is people enjoying themselves there

I think the club are trying to make Pittodrie as sh!t as possible so everyone will think The sit shak is the dogs b@llocks when eventually built.

[Jussi]

Supposed to be a f@cking superb day out the Millerntor. Couldnt give a f@ck about the links with the pigs(supporting liverpool when not a hun is a bigger faux pas than going to a St Pauli game) Im going to do it one day. Never heard a bad word about the place

There were St Pauli fans traveled up to Copenhagen to support the Dons when we played BK1903
I remember because they were handing out stickers to people with their club badge logo.
probably on account of us having beaten Hamburg in the supercup

Think that was 1992

[Mr_Grieves]

The only issue i can see with that is. The rest of the crowd will be very scattered as we will never fill it so there will be the huge gaps. But if the atmosphere is rocking in a standing end then it will be a better atmosphere than Pittodrie as its a f@cking morgue.

An average crowd of over 15,000 in a stadium of 20,000 won't have "huge gaps".

[Pacman1903]

An average crowd of over 15,000 in a stadium of 20,000 won't have "huge gaps".

You expecting an average of 15k out there? One bad season and it will tumble down. We have a very fickle fan base. If we don't get Europe this season we will not get 15k average next season. If we are in debt and signing D'Jaffos and McFarlanes we wont have 15k average

[curvasud]

First thing's first, I doubt very much it will be built for £40M (a 2017 estimate for a project that will be built in 2020 or 2021) so factor in construction cost inflation. Plus for those of us involved in the oil industry - how many projects are completed on budget? alternatively look at all major projects in Aberdeen recently - how many are built on time and on budget?

Anyway I will park my significant doubts and play along with the club's £40M estimate.

Player sales - we will sell McKenna (I would guess £6M-£7M perhaps in Jan, certainly by next Summer) but the majority of that will be used to plug the gap to complete the training facilities (according to the club statement yesterday we have raised just over half of the £10M needed). I can't think of any other players we will sell in the next two to three years that would raise significant sums of money. Shinnie will go for next to nothing or nothing at all. Doubt we will sell Anderson/Campbell/Ferguson in next two years. Lewis - if someone was going to buy him for series money would have happened by now I think

Sponsorships/Naming rights - I have said before and will repeat, that will be paid over a number of years to maximise revenue

Debentures - for what exactly? - Murrayfield debentures guarantees a ticket in a sold out stadium - likewise Hampden for cup finals, internationals etc. What does a debenture buy you that a season ticket doesn't at Kingsford? so who will buy?

That then brings us back to the £20M gap (more if I am right on cost of stadium). Who is buying these shares? Certainly not any financial institutions as no money to be made in Scottish football. The ordinary fans? - doubt anyone will buy shares to any great extent as many already own shares and many others don't want to move anyway. Richer fans excluding Milne/Cormack e.g. Mike Loggie? Probably but would imagine it will be small millions as what do they get by being minority shareholders (and many already are).

Let me be generous and say we raise £5M from various sources, that in my mind brings us back to Milne/Cormack as having to fund circa £15M plus any construction overspend and I just don't see that happening given that Milne (a man worth more than £200Million) has unbelievably not put a single penny into the training facilities he says that he has been desperate to build for 20+ years

Hold up.

£2.5m left to find for training facilities Rob Wicks said yesterday. That'll be found from local benefactors mainly I'd guess. So discount the half way there and majority from McKenna on that. He will be sold for £8m and we will not be spending even £1m on a player because we don't have the budget for wages for such a player never mind 2 or 4 or 6.

Having any sponsorship and rights type deals in place will surely make it far simpler to take a loan from some generous ****s and work it out like that. That's how clubs are paying for stadiums now.

Debentures for corporate boxes, padded seats, hospitality, lounges whatever.

So from all of the above you'd given us £0 and missed a share issue. Fans are giving away £1m a year for [****all] at the moment with no measurable outcome. Mainly those same types, are fanatical about Kingsford. Every evening express post on facebook gets 900 seething messes wishing death on the Westhill pensioners.

[curvasud]

To anyone saying one end standing is a bad idea. I disagree as the best atmosphere ive been in at any ground was Rapid Vienna. Behind the goal was standing, was rammed and was a f@cking cacophony. Even at two nil down it was deafening. (The away corner was also standing which the had discussions with opposing fan groups and that was the preference). If people want to stand they will all stand together which MAY create an atmosphere

The only issue i can see with that is. The rest of the crowd will be very scattered as we will never fill it so there will be the huge gaps. But if the atmosphere is rocking in a standing end then it will be a better atmosphere than Pittodrie as its a f@cking morgue.

Rapid Vienna design is as good as it gets for just about everything. It would be twice as good if more parts of it were standing, because the other 3 stands are as dead as the lower rds.

[Pacman1903]

Rapid Vienna design is as good as it gets for just about everything. It would be twice as good if more parts of it were standing, because the other 3 stands are as dead as the lower rds.

Fantastic stadium