Yoohoo i961pie....

[Romanis]

Half way through a 4 week driving tour of France and Spain at the moment (this retiring lark ain't bad)
So haven't seen the fight yet, seems to be a split by the 'experts' who they think won but the last round appears to have won it for Alvarez.
Another money spinning 3rd fight next year me thinks.

4 week driving tour eh? In Spain and France even. Le Tour and La Vuelta da Espana perhaps but with a motor !!! Well done.
Got me there for a moment but then I remember your mode of transport!



Trolol!!!

On the latter subject it was a good fight. But I think for discerning fans like us, we must look beyond the obvious and the normal reading or watching that most people would observe.
Instead we must look at the standpoint of the judges or perhaps as someone who understands a bit on what matters in boxing fights that go the distance. Ignore the hype and cries of 'fix', instead look at what counts.
True GGG threw more punches but Alvarez shaded it quite clearly in the big hits and more telling punches.
There are a few boxing score cards showing all these and instantly you can why the judges shaded it for Alvarez.
But yes it was close, could have gone either way, depending how one sees a particular round. A majority draw I think would have ben better. 2 judges scoring 114- 114 and 1 giving it to Alvarez 115-113.

But as it stands, you're right, a trilogy is needed to decide this once for all. However given GGG is getting older, it has to be advantage Alvarez.

[i961pie]

Just as I thought AJ far to big and to strong for the Russian. Forget Fury and White there is only one fight the crowd want to see and that is Wilder in front of 80,000 British fans.

[Romanis]

Just as I thought AJ far to big and to strong for the Russian. Forget Fury and White there is only one fight the crowd want to see and that is Wilder in front of 80,000 British fans.

Can't disagree. You just felt it was a matter of time before AJ would 'corner; him with a few big hitters. Actually I had it 3 rounds even on points at the end of 6. but AJ was already finding his feet after a slow start and you knew it was going to end.
I have been wanting this Wilder v AJ fight for years to determine the undefeated and unified crown.
However, Fury is a smart fighter and if he dances his way and jabs like he can, he can win this Dec 1st fight on points.
But Wilder is equally fast and I've seen him get it right - jab, punch and hit - a rare sight in boxing.
I dunno if you've seen him fight but I've been following him for years.
Obviously AJ has fought the better opponents and you can see a sense of 'Aliesque' in him. Always probing and looking for the opening to land the killer blow.

The question now is whether Wilder has a mandatory rematch with Fury if he loses? And if not, whether a Fury v AJ fight can go ahead, given the long standing bad blood between Frank Warren and Eddie Hearn.
If Wilder wins, the April 13th fight is easier. If not, all bets are off.
But also a question of purse. Fury and for that matter Wilder will want as close to 50% as possible but whether AJ/Hearn will agree is another matter.
Next is location, will Wilder want to travel to a hostile Wembley of insist on a Vegas fight? I think Vegas is the better location. It's still the 'mecca' of boxing despite what most Brits may say. A Vegas fight will also give AJ the upper hand to demand a 60-40 split that Hearn would want. If Wilder has to travel he will demand equal share.
Finally, the issue of who's to judge and referee will be the last obstacle.

It seems so hard to organise top fights these days.
Whatever happened to good ol' days when Don King 'fixed' everything eh?

[i961pie]

Can't disagree. You just felt it was a matter of time before AJ would 'corner; him with a few big hitters. Actually I had it 3 rounds even on points at the end of 6. but AJ was already finding his feet after a slow start and you knew it was going to end.
I have been wanting this Wilder v AJ fight for years to determine the undefeated and unified crown.
However, Fury is a smart fighter and if he dances his way and jabs like he can, he can win this Dec 1st fight on points.
But Wilder is equally fast and I've seen him get it right - jab, punch and hit - a rare sight in boxing.
I dunno if you've seen him fight but I've been following him for years.
Obviously AJ has fought the better opponents and you can see a sense of 'Aliesque' in him. Always probing and looking for the opening to land the killer blow.

The question now is whether Wilder has a mandatory rematch with Fury if he loses? And if not, whether a Fury v AJ fight can go ahead, given the long standing bad blood between Frank Warren and Eddie Hearn.
If Wilder wins, the April 13th fight is easier. If not, all bets are off.
But also a question of purse. Fury and for that matter Wilder will want as close to 50% as possible but whether AJ/Hearn will agree is another matter.
Next is location, will Wilder want to travel to a hostile Wembley of insist on a Vegas fight? I think Vegas is the better location. It's still the 'mecca' of boxing despite what most Brits may say. A Vegas fight will also give AJ the upper hand to demand a 60-40 split that Hearn would want. If Wilder has to travel he will demand equal share.
Finally, the issue of who's to judge and referee will be the last obstacle.

It seems so hard to organise top fights these days.
Whatever happened to good ol' days when Don King 'fixed' everything eh?

Years ago I could name every world champion at their weight because there were only about 9 of them, then came light this and super that Plus IBF, WBO on top of WBA and WBC. Now their are as many as 4/5 champions at every weight which is absolutely ridiculous and made boxing a farce at times.
Politics plays a large part in boxing now days. If AJ as to go to the states he will take a few thousand noisy Brits with him so it will be like a home fight anyway.

[i961pie]

Just watched the AJ- Povetkin fight. AJ finished it well but he can't afford to start slow and get caught like he did if and when he fights the big boys Fury and Wilder.
I noticed against both Povetkin and Joshua he doesn't cope to well when they rush him throwing punches. He flaps a bit and looks uncomfortable, will be interesting to see the tactics used against him if he fights one of them.

[Romanis]

Just watched the AJ- Povetkin fight. AJ finished it well but he can't afford to start slow and get caught like he did if and when he fights the big boys Fury and Wilder.
I noticed against both Povetkin and Joshua he doesn't cope to well when they rush him throwing punches. He flaps a bit and looks uncomfortable, will be interesting to see the tactics used against him if he fights one of them.

Yeah it kinda reminded me a bit and this is a real stretch - a wee bit of Ali - Frazier. You know how Ali always struggled against that 'smoking Joe' style, that Frazier had. Ali never could get the hang of it, despite being by far the better boxer. And the same style walks into an ambush when faced with a Foreman. So maybe a Fury might find better success against AJ than say a typical jab and punch boxer like Wilder.
Jab and punch, I gotta rate Joshua as better able so Wilder will need to mix it up, jab punch, dodge and dance.

[i961pie]

Should have read Povetkin and PARKER in my last thread