Don’t worry about that Andy. It’ll come as little surprise that I’m used to being part of the ‘persecuted minority’.
I’d go for. We should/should not remain in the EU, with a proviso that the vote should be compulsory for every British citizen over the age of 16 and needs to achieve a majority of at least 50.1% of the electorate in order for us to leave.
All speculation, truths, lies, and no facts! No one knows what will happen until we leave. Brexiteers think it will be a success, remainers are hoping it won't be.
We can disagree until the cows come home but we won't know the outcome until a good few years after we've left. We know the outcome of being in the EU and that wasn't a success that why we have voted to leave!
Yes, it was an advisory referendum. It seems everybody knew that. It also seems that everybody also understood that 50% + 1 would "win". It also seems that everybody understood that Cameron had promised to follow through on whichever "side" won.
Strange that a politician following through on a promise should prove to be so divisive.
I was reading an opinion on an FB thread yesterday. A remain supporter offered up new slant on the argument. He said that it was wrong that the old had ruined the future for the young and that the vote was now irrelevant as 1.2M of those who voted Leave were now dead.
Why did I post the questions? I wasn't sure if folk were aware of the 3 things asked. It appears they were. Now I am. If you knew that Cameron would follow through on the result, despite it being an advisory referendum and whatever the result...........
One thing is clear to me, Mayhem will get us out of the EU. Either on the terms of what the Cabinet "agreed" at Chequers OR we will leave with "no deal" and default to the WTO tariffs (a WTO that Trump wants to disband....).
I believe that Mayhem has let the country down. She and her Tories have wasted much of the past 2 years in which she/they should have been negotiating rather than alienating. Cynical maybe but I have always had the feeling that "no deal" has been her aim from the off.
One of the tings that was said at the time of the Referendum was that ‘we are tired of experts telling us what to do’.
I have to say...’I’m not’. I like experts...they have this tendency to know what they’re talking about’, that’s why they’re called...well...experts!
If there’s something wrong with my health, car, plumbing, computer etc I’m inclined to take the advice of experts.
As it happens most of the financial/industrial/defence experts seem to agree that Brexit is a bad idea as far as the future of the UK is concerned and they’re the people I listen to.
Unfortunately the likes of Gove, Johnson, Farage, Rees Mogg, Banks and just about any politician you care to mention are expert on nothing except their own political self preservation.
Contrary to what you suggest, we were actually very successful while members of the EU, that is just a fact, and the future was infinitely more secure than it currently appears, but I would far rather listen to experts now than take the word of your mealy mouthed band of politicians as to what the future may hold years down a line full of risk and doubt.
What you miss there RA is that plumbers, mechanics etc are experts at resolving issues that have already happened, maybe many times before. YOU are putting your trust in seers, and to be honest I wouldn’t and don’t trust any of them - there is one extremely senior finance ‘expert’ that I am s friend of a friend of, and his peer group find it somewhere between side splittingly funny and supremely frustrating that his seven figure income appears to have more to do with his calm manner and nothing to do with his expertise. Not for one moment suggesting that your Nemesis group are any better in fact I will agree they are worse, but I wouldn’t trust most of those you admire with the change in my pocket - and ironically, I DO have to trust them with my pension! If you want to know the way the markets will go, ask a plumber
Why...’over to me’? Andy’s daft suggestion...nowt to do with me.
My suggestion was entirely different, but feel free to challenge that...if you can.
P.S. MoP...You suggest ‘Remainers’ hope Brexit won’t be a success. Speaking personally you couldn’t be more wrong. As a ‘Remainer’ of course I hope it won’t happen...but if it does I, of course, want it to be a success...I simply think all the evidence suggests otherwise.
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