Quote Originally Posted by rolymiller View Post
Don't doubt i could do more but at least I recognise there is a problem and would support policies which helped stop global warming. I would be foolish not to.

I do recycle etc and try to do things in an environmentally friendly way so to say i do nowt is not accurate but yes i could do more. It is time i agree but that applies to us all doesn't it. I presume you are doing your bit as well.

We all need some hard leadership on this and it will be a bitter pill to swallow for many when people are forced into changing their lifestyles. All a bit fascist perhaps. All political parties need to be bluntly honest though about this. I would argue that because I dont have a particularly materialistic lifestyle when the crunch comes I will find it less of a pain than many others but pain it will be I'm sure.

One man cannot change the world alone. i could be the most environmentally friendly bloke on the planet but it wouldn't stop global warming. Only seriously collective action would do that which would involve everyone on the planet.

To be fair to gf maybe he takes more action on this than what he suggests on here.

I accept your points about meat production and electricity production by the way. I have already said on here I could live without meat could/ do you?
Your post raises an interesting point. gf doesn't act through ignorance (possibly wilful ignorance) whereas you know there's a need to act, but stand behind bland statements about one man not being able to change things, having only two small cars and not wanting to go vegetarian out of an apparent concern for the impact on world bean production.

Which is worse, not accepting that things need to be done or knowing that it does, but waiting for 'leadership' before acting? I know what I think on that.