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They still are entrenched in it, that's my point, the heir to the throne took his kid to a shoot earlier this year, pathetic, you could say ah, but it's just a grouse, or a pheasant, or a partridge, or a woodcock, they're still living beings which feel pain just as we do, another aspect is the collateral damage they do in their hunting activities, the predators persecuted on most grouse moors by gamekeepers etc etc.