O/T The Price Of Coal 1977 BBC Drama

[sickly_child]

I think 'destroy' is overstating the position. There was certainly an intention to end the strike culture that had held back and disrupted the UK economy for a couple of decades. That the NUM destroyed itself with it's tactics is probably something that she welcomed.

I suspect that Thatcher was probably not a nice person to know, but in the final analysis she had won two General Elections and had won the right to govern the country. She went on to win another one after the strike.

I think the strike was a terrible thing for all directly involved, whether working or not (although my sympathy is limited for those who took part in mass picketing or other forms of intimidation or violence). One particularly sad aspect is that, as animal points out, it was allowed to continue for some time after it was clear that had been lost.

Disagree in many ways the wholesale destruction of communities is the real violence and when that American pig published his book tilted 'the enemy within' displayed their attitude. I will leave it at that as it is too emotive a subject and will only piss me off.

[Exiletyke]

I told you when I was going to be getting back to you. Perhaps you missed that bit?

I am not certain that any party offers the 'best solutions'. I'm not sure that the Tories are offering any at all at the moment given their preoccupation with Brexit. I was at a loss to decide who to vote for last year and would be again if there were an election tomorrow.

I think I missed that bit as well Kerr
Do you have a link?
As for your second assertion, do you really think that anyone on here would believe "you were at a loss last year & would be again" who to vote for
I know you would retort that it would prove you have an open mind on such things BUT come on that stretches things a bit too far

[gm_gm]

May be worth looking to close this one down MODS, its become repetitively boring and turning into playground insults

[Lolmorgan]

May be worth looking to close this one down MODS, its become repetitively boring and turning into playground insults

Been some very good replies on here but this is the BEST yet.Well said gm_gm.

[Exiletyke]

May be worth looking to close this one down MODS, its become repetitively boring and turning into playground insults

Wonder if Kerr would agree with me that this thread should not be closed down

[Lolmorgan]

Wonder if Kerr would agree with me that this thread should not be closed down

Tell you what pal transfer it to your board & that will be fine.UTM

[KerrAvon]

Disagree in many ways the wholesale destruction of communities is the real violence and when that American pig published his book tilted 'the enemy within' displayed their attitude. I will leave it at that as it is too emotive a subject and will only piss me off.

The wholesale destruction of communities is the real violence? Please tell me that you don't actually believe that. I'm not a big fan of the word 'apologist', but there are times when it seems very appropriate.

Here's the thing: Every mine had access to a finite amount of coal that could be economically mined, meaning that every mine had a finite life span. As TwinCat pointed out on the first page of this thread, more mines were closed by Labour in five years than under the Tories in eleven. Many of the mines closed by Labour would have had communities associated with them.

At the heart of MMM's position is the startling contradiction that he says he fought for mining jobs and mining communities, but states that were there still a coal mining industry in existence, he'd be arguing for it to be closed down on environmental grounds... So he would now end the jobs and damage those communities..

American pig? A bit of casual racism there? I wasn't aware that MacGregor had written a book, but will add it to my reading list.

[millmoormagic]

The wholesale destruction of communities is the real violence? Please tell me that you don't actually believe that. I'm not a big fan of the word 'apologist', but there are times when it seems very appropriate.

Here's the thing: Every mine had access to a finite amount of coal that could be economically mined, meaning that every mine had a finite life span. As TwinCat pointed out on the first page of this thread, more mines were closed by Labour in five years than under the Tories in eleven. Many of the mines closed by Labour would have had communities associated with them.

At the heart of MMM's position is the startling contradiction that he says he fought for mining jobs and mining communities, but states that were there still a coal mining industry in existence, he'd be arguing for it to be closed down on environmental grounds... So he would now end the jobs and damage those communities..

American pig? A bit of casual racism there? I wasn't aware that MacGregor had written a book, but will add it to my reading list.

Here's the thing, once again your utter ignorance shines through, of course you're correct that mines have a finite amount of economically viable coal....that's a given....in the years prior to the strike pits closed,and through consultation with the unions terms agreed etc etc, the gov't abandoned all that and basically lied through their teeth when saying they were closing 22 pits(fact, as i've already told you) they went on to close them all, fact. When Silverwood closed it had been breaking production records year on year, indeed, it closed in 1994 at christmas, and had already made a huge profit up till then.....as had many others...your 'economic' argument is blown out of the water, you won't take no heed though will you, this was just miners, not barristers or lawyers, miners can't have rational sense can they??

Funny you mention twincat, a fellow tory, whose comments have been scrubbed from this thread, and who is always going to take the tory line, as gullible as you are.

There's no contradiction in my words, none whatsoever, t's pathetic of you to say so, there's no contradiction for me to say that i supported the strike and the future of the coal industry 34 years ago, but how things have changed globally in terms of climate change 34 years later and how i see it now, none whatsoever, times move on Kerr, though you're still in the 1970's arent you...

[CASPER-64-FRANK]

American pig? A bit of casual racism there? I wasn't aware that MacGregor had written a book, but will add it to my reading list.

If you're intent on reading Ian MacGregors book : ' enemy within ' here's a few hints....
It's naturally biased to the Government, why wouldn't it be. It has very little in it that actually tells why the strike happened or the implications of literally ending coal production and if you haven't done so already KerrAvon you ought to read....

Settling Scores : The Media, the Police and Miners Strike.
Be warned though it may come across as biased towards the Unions. It does reveal files of that strike and identified files that Governments don't usually want us to see.

[rolymiller]

will leave it at that as it is too emotive a subject and will only piss me off.

Exactly sickly it is for many of those involved but the insensitive Kerr, who does not give a monkeys about coal mining communities and all those lives wrecked and ruined,but hey hell be ok.

The answer is not to engage him any more it only feeds his selfish ego. MMM once said kerr was a charlatan think that's about right,.Just let him talk to himself with a bit of luck he might get the message and piss off.