Faces not fitting

[JoePass]

This.

On paper you can point to players' histories but in truth nobody wanted us to keep the same defence we had last season other than Kevin Nolan. Tootle has been half the player he was last season, Brisley the same. This is the defence that was shipping at least 3 goals a game under Kevin Nolan so you can't say Kewell should be getting more from them or using them better as they weren't even doing it for Nolan.

Turley has been a big improvement, I know you're not a fan of him Jacob but he's saved us goals on his own a few times already (whilst also scoring an own goal but he couldn't really do anything other than try and get something on it). I also think Ward is an improvement on Duffy and Brisley for what it's worth.

Enzio can't do much more than he already is.

Hewitt has done alright imo, same with Milsom although both were poor on Tuesday.

David Vaughan has been utter cr*p other than his performance against MK Dons (where he still almost handed them a goal)

Dennis has barely played, first through injury and then because Stead and Hemmings were both playing well.

Allessandra has been one of our better players this season and the rest of Nolan's rag tag bunch of nobodies haven't done much to impress so far.

Cant argue with that.

[Pies4u]

Yes, Delroy has provided a far more accurate analysis than Jacob, Prophet & Swale. It seems some fans, rather like some of our players, are sleep walking through this season. Pedigree, last season's history and reputation count for sod all - it is the here & now that matters.

I think the vast majority of players who have left us over the last 10 years have gone out of league footbal altogether. There are at least 6 that will go the same way from this mob.

Turley & Ward are delivering as are the inconsistent but occasionally dangerous Enzio & Alessandra. Milsom is decent on the ball, the keeper is doing well and Hemmings always gives you a chance with his mobility & grit. Chuck ?The experience of Duffy & Stead in and you've basically got the only players worthy of a place in decent league 2 team tbh.

Thus, I have sympathy for Kewell but his strategy and tactical approach are causing him, and us, some serious problems.

[slack_pie]

I think the vast majority of players who have left us over the last 10 years have gone out of league footbal altogether. There are at least 6 that will go the same way from this mob.

This is so true, but how and why does it happen? Successful lower-league teams have a scattering of up-and-coming stars who go on to play at a higher level; Notts, on the other hand, have a bunch of jouneymen, has-beens and never-will-bes who disappear after playing for the club. Since the Munto season, how many have gone on to better things? Judge, Bishop - can't think of anyone else. How many have ended up in non-league or playing for a crap L2 club - pretty much everyone. It's unbelievable, really.

Of our current crop, who could realistically play at a higher level? Enzio should really be in L1, but who else? On the other hand, how many of this lot would get a job at another league club come next summer?

[Notts78]

I’m not sure, but Kasper seems to be doing well.
Dongde He has gone Wolves, the jury is out on him, but has gone to a much bigger club.
Alan Sheehan is playing for a pretty decent League 1 side who may challenge for a place in the Championship.
Ben Davies went to Derby from us... yes he is now in Non-League, but he is what 37/38.

They are just a few off the top of my head. I am sure there are others.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

This is so true, but how and why does it happen? Successful lower-league teams have a scattering of up-and-coming stars who go on to play at a higher level; Notts, on the other hand, have a bunch of jouneymen, has-beens and never-will-bes who disappear after playing for the club. Since the Munto season, how many have gone on to better things? Judge, Bishop - can't think of anyone else. How many have ended up in non-league or playing for a crap L2 club - pretty much everyone. It's unbelievable, really.

Of our current crop, who could realistically play at a higher level? Enzio should really be in L1, but who else? On the other hand, how many of this lot would get a job at another league club come next summer?

Since the end of the 2009 / 10 Munto season I make it 12 players that have gone on to play at a higher level than the club were when they left. It’s distorted somewhat because 4 players were from the title winning squad. So that’s 8 players since. So we are lucky if it’s one a season on average.

1.) Kasper Schmicheal - Leeds United (Championship)
2.) Ben Davies - Derby County (Championship)
3.) Neal Bishop - Blackpool (Championship)
4.) Jonnie Jackson - Charlton Athletic (Championship)
5.) Alan Judge - Blackburn Rovers (Championship)
6.) Jamal Campbell Rice - Sheffield United (League One)
7.) Mark Fotheringham - Fulham (Championship)
8.) Gary Liddell - Bradford City (League One)
9.) Alan Sheehan - Bradford City (League One)
10.) Bartosz Bialkowski - Ipswich (Championship)
11.) Alex Rodman - Shrewsbury Town (League One)
12.) Graham Burke - Preston North End (Championship)

For these twelve players I can’t imagine for one minute how many players have come through the door on their way down or sideways to other clubs in our league. It must be a few hundred.

This is where the clubs problems lie in my opinion. Until we change path and get players that are on their way up whether that’s with us or by us being a stepping stone for them we will never be successful.

[Pies4u]

Since the end of the 2009 / 10 Munto season I make it 12 players that have gone on to play at a higher level than the club were when they left. It’s distorted somewhat because 4 players were from the title winning squad. So that’s 8 players since. So we are lucky if it’s one a season on average.

1.) Kasper Schmicheal - Leeds United (Championship)
2.) Ben Davies - Derby County (Championship)
3.) Neal Bishop - Blackpool (Championship)
4.) Jonnie Jackson - Charlton Athletic (Championship)
5.) Alan Judge - Blackburn Rovers (Championship)
6.) Jamal Campbell Rice - Sheffield United (League One)
7.) Mark Fotheringham - Fulham (Championship)
8.) Gary Liddell - Bradford City (League One)
9.) Alan Sheehan - Bradford City (League One)
10.) Bartosz Bialkowski - Ipswich (Championship)
11.) Alex Rodman - Shrewsbury Town (League One)
12.) Graham Burke - Preston North End (Championship)

For these twelve players I can’t imagine for one minute how many players have come through the door on their way down or sideways to other clubs in our league. It must be a few hundred.

This is where the clubs problems lie in my opinion. Until we change path and get players that are on their way up whether that’s with us or by us being a stepping stone for them we will never be successful.

Exactly. Not sure what MM was trying to prove. It is far easier to name half a dozen who moved on rather than the dozens of no hopers and never will be’s who disappeared down the drain. Dredging up Schmeichel & Davies is also going back a bit far by whoever mentioned them.

The list is endless from the past 6 seasons alone. Here is a random selection;

Wholey, Dixon, Sharpe, Hollis, Murray, Stirling, Haynes, Tempest, McLeod - not to mention the assorted rubbish Moniz signed, like Swerts, Sprockel, Snijders & that fancy Dan midfielder whose name escapes me but he was absolute tripe. Who will ever forget Adams, Bennett & the circus act that was Aborah - just trawl back through old programmes to see the amount of dross we have released. It is a never ending list of dross.

[Elite_Pie]

The list is endless from the past 6 seasons alone. Here is a random selection;

Wholey, Dixon, Sharpe, Hollis, Murray, Stirling, Haynes, Tempest, McLeod - not to mention the assorted rubbish Moniz signed, like Swerts, Sprockel, Snijders & that fancy Dan midfielder whose name escapes me but he was absolute tripe. Who will ever forget Adams, Bennett & the circus act that was Aborah - just trawl back through old programmes to see the amount of dross we have released. It is a never ending list of dross.

Sad isn't it? Whenever a "Best Notts XI" from any timespan crops up you can invariably get close to it. But when it's a "Worst Notts XI", you spend ages over it because there is such a wide choice, but once a few others have posted their own team you quickly realise that you have missed an awful lot of very deserving candidates!