The inmates are running the Asylum

[sinkov]

She's off to Brussels today to get her daft proposal delivered, sanctified and ratified with the schoolyard bullies at EU HQ.

The mad cow actually thinks the DUP and a few renegade Labour MP's will pull her out of the brown stuff and get this through Parliament. Which world does Theresa actually live in?

With special thanks to Alto...

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If only that's all she was up to, fagging it, glass of wine, occasional bag of chips, we might be OK, but this halfwit is running the country, and she's either a congenital liar or hasn't a fecking clue what she's doing, or both.

[Altobelli]

Her being the Home Secretary told me what a hard nosed useless piece of sh!te she was, and always will be

[1959_60]

It's all Irish to me 59, there was a Labour MP on Sky News yesterday, she said three times, 'Business needs certainty, we must have a second referendum'. It didn't seem to occur to the bimbo that we're in this long running farce, with no one certain wtf is going on, precisely because of a referendum.
You can have another referendum if you want, but the one thing it won't provide is certainty. What will the question be ? What happens if leave wins again ? If we vote to go back in the EU, will the terms be the same, or will we be £10 billion plus a year worse off because we'll lose our rebates and opt outs ? Will we still want to go back in if that's the case, or would there be a vote in parliament, or a third referendum on the terms of our return ? And that's only scratching the surface of the uncertainty a 2nd referendum would create.
If you want certainty you need answers, not yet more questions. A lot of our MPs are as thick as pig ****.

You have made a very important point about a second referendum.

For me, I would have three choices on the ballot. Voters would have to choose their first and second preferences. If the winner of the first choices produced above 50% then this would win. Otherwise the least popular option is chucked out. The second count would include the second preference if a voters first choice had been chucked out and the winner would be the most popular choice.

"May's" deal - we will know the ins and outs of this.

Leave with no deal - I think people are informed enough on this.

Remain. And the point you made about, basically, "will it be business as usual?" needs clarification.

As far as I am aware, we can revoke Article 50 up to the leaving date of March 29th. So things should remain the same.
BUT...is it possible to arrange and vote on a new referendum before this date? I very much doubt it.

So our negotiators need to confirm our status if we choose to remain after 29th March. I don't think this is a difficult task - it should just be rubber-stamping the current arrangements - but it needs putting down in writing BEFORE any new referendum.

[1959_60]

Some interesting thoughts here - if you can be bothered to read it all!

https://electionsetc.com/2018/11/21/...5bdd-312616881

[sinkov]

I've read a lot of it 59, but eventually my head started spinning and I had to give up to it. Interesting read though, as far as I got.

On a potential second referendum, I believe the Electoral Commission has said it's too late to organise and hold one before the leaving date, and I think it could be problematic getting them to agree to three options on the ballot paper, although I could be wrong about that.

We've had this one several times before, but I still haven't seen any evidence that we can revoke or withdraw our application to leave under Article 50. What we can do is request an extension of the negotiating period, so we won't actually have left, but for this to happen all the other 27 EU countries have to agree to it. Justine Greening was at it today, saying parliament wouldn't vote for no deal, so it wouldn't happen. I'm not really sure that such a vote would make any difference, as it stands, according to Article 50, we leave on March 29th , either with a withdrawal agreement or without one. As far as I can tell, any other view is simply wishful thinking. The only other option is a possible extension of the negotiating period.