The DERRY

[Deeranged]

You should never just “accept” the power of argument is what has got things changed all through history, some can argue better than others, being a union rep most of my working life I know the power of arguing.

Arguing is why the unions have failed and are now virtually powerless. Discussion, compromise and agreement are what lead to progress, argument will simply put up unnecessary barriers.

[jdfc]

Arguing is why the unions have failed and are now virtually powerless. Discussion, compromise and agreement are what lead to progress, argument will simply put up unnecessary barriers.

Argue, discuss, call it what you want, but don’t just accept

Unions failed ?, depends what you measure it against, can’t say my union has failed, it’s one of the strongest in the country, times move on and industries change, that’s not the unions fault, ask anyone at Michelin if they’re happy with settlement union got them, couldn’t save the factory, that’s due to economic changes around the world due to countries like China, but without a union the workforce could and would have walked away with a pittance, the union also fought for the workforce’s at places like NCR, Kestral, Levi’s to name but a few, you never hear people complain about the pay offs these people got, just a shame their jobs couldn’t be saved.

[BCram]

Argue, discuss, call it what you want, but don’t just accept

Unions failed ?, depends what you measure it against, can’t say my union has failed, it’s one of the strongest in the country, times move on and industries change, that’s not the unions fault, ask anyone at Michelin if they’re happy with settlement union got them, couldn’t save the factory, that’s due to economic changes around the world due to countries like China, but without a union the workforce could and would have walked away with a pittance, the union also fought for the workforce’s at places like NCR, Kestral, Levi’s to name but a few, you never hear people complain about the pay offs these people got, just a shame their jobs couldn’t be saved.

This has gone off topic a bit. The trade union movement is needed but this thread isn't the place to discuss it, IMO.