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[hmac]

Wrong, they belong to the DFCSS which is a membership organisation. Each member of DFCSS has one share in the society.

There's nothing else to discuss on this matter I'm afraid as them's the facts.

This is indeed the facts and in my view the very heart of the PR problem DFCSS has with some fans.

Here's some facts -

Dee4Life/DFCSS was a £1 to join organisation, pretty much the message was in the early early days they wanted everyone to join so made it accessible for all for life.

This worked really well and a lot of money was raised in Admin 1 to save the club.

Dee4Life/DFCSS had someone on the Board to make sure this never happened again.

It happened again.

In August 2010 Dee4Life/DFCSS had approx £8k in the bank

Dee4Life/DFCSS mobilised again in Admin 2 with a target of £250k to do the same again.

They did not reach it. They came nowhere near.

We could check how much they actually reached but despite having expensive web archives dating back to February 2009 the minutes of the meetings disappear from August 2010 January 2014 which is co-incidental I'm sure with the disappearing act of the very people mentioned in previous threads.

Dundee FC and it's staff raised more money during Admin 2 (fundraising that is not normal business operations like gate money etc.) than DFCSS did, despite the best efforts of the DFCSS Chairman at the time to stop this happening.

Now back to non-facts or opinion -

The biggest gripe most people have with DFCSS is the membership fee, this is quite obvious if you look at the dwindled members since it was £1 forever than £5 a year, and it's relationship with the belief they are somehow custodians of all things done and all monies raised in the previous incarnations. In plain English DFCSS now say only members have a say on assets gained during a period when they didn't care where the money came from or the intentions of the people handing it over.

In my view the people putting savings in buckets or running events for fundraising to help their club had no idea that in the future the people controlling that would end up in such a powerful position at the Club, in hindsight the best thing Dundee FC could have done back in the day was label up all fundraising activities inside the stadium to be club events and money direct to the club.

The original Dee4Life did extraordinary things to help their Club, they moved rules and adapted to do their very best for the Club and general fanbase. Todays DFCSS would be well advised to think about that and do the same, canvas the wider base and get a consensus.

[BCram]

This is indeed the facts and in my view the very heart of the PR problem DFCSS has with some fans.

Here's some facts -

Dee4Life/DFCSS was a £1 to join organisation, pretty much the message was in the early early days they wanted everyone to join so made it accessible for all for life.

This worked really well and a lot of money was raised in Admin 1 to save the club.

Dee4Life/DFCSS had someone on the Board to make sure this never happened again.

It happened again.

In August 2010 Dee4Life/DFCSS had approx £8k in the bank

Dee4Life/DFCSS mobilised again in Admin 2 with a target of £250k to do the same again.

They did not reach it. They came nowhere near.

We could check how much they actually reached but despite having expensive web archives dating back to February 2009 the minutes of the meetings disappear from August 2010 January 2014 which is co-incidental I'm sure with the disappearing act of the very people mentioned in previous threads.

Dundee FC and it's staff raised more money during Admin 2 (fundraising that is not normal business operations like gate money etc.) than DFCSS did, despite the best efforts of the DFCSS Chairman at the time to stop this happening.

Now back to non-facts or opinion -

The biggest gripe most people have with DFCSS is the membership fee, this is quite obvious if you look at the dwindled members since it was £1 forever than £5 a year, and it's relationship with the belief they are somehow custodians of all things done and all monies raised in the previous incarnations. In plain English DFCSS now say only members have a say on assets gained during a period when they didn't care where the money came from or the intentions of the people handing it over.

In my view the people putting savings in buckets or running events for fundraising to help their club had no idea that in the future the people controlling that would end up in such a powerful position at the Club, in hindsight the best thing Dundee FC could have done back in the day was label up all fundraising activities inside the stadium to be club events and money direct to the club.

The original Dee4Life did extraordinary things to help their Club, they moved rules and adapted to do their very best for the Club and general fanbase. Todays DFCSS would be well advised to think about that and do the same, canvas the wider base and get a consensus.

Thanks again for taking the time to go over the history of DFCSS. The original Dee4Life morphed into DFCSS and we are now where we are. I'm hopeful that the information that guys like you are providing will help DFCSS members and the board of DFCSS to get a much broader picture of what the fan base would like to see. These discussions are helping me to understand the issues and as a member I want to use my contribution to the wisely, although I have to remind everyone that the directors of DFCSS have the power to act on this matter, it is not a requirement that it is a decision that is based on the will of the membership.

[islaydarkblue]

This is indeed the facts and in my view the very heart of the PR problem DFCSS has with some fans.

Here's some facts -

Dee4Life/DFCSS was a £1 to join organisation, pretty much the message was in the early early days they wanted everyone to join so made it accessible for all for life.

This worked really well and a lot of money was raised in Admin 1 to save the club.

Dee4Life/DFCSS had someone on the Board to make sure this never happened again.

It happened again.

In August 2010 Dee4Life/DFCSS had approx £8k in the bank

Dee4Life/DFCSS mobilised again in Admin 2 with a target of £250k to do the same again.

They did not reach it. They came nowhere near.

We could check how much they actually reached but despite having expensive web archives dating back to February 2009 the minutes of the meetings disappear from August 2010 January 2014 which is co-incidental I'm sure with the disappearing act of the very people mentioned in previous threads.

Dundee FC and it's staff raised more money during Admin 2 (fundraising that is not normal business operations like gate money etc.) than DFCSS did, despite the best efforts of the DFCSS Chairman at the time to stop this happening.

Now back to non-facts or opinion -

The biggest gripe most people have with DFCSS is the membership fee, this is quite obvious if you look at the dwindled members since it was £1 forever than £5 a year, and it's relationship with the belief they are somehow custodians of all things done and all monies raised in the previous incarnations. In plain English DFCSS now say only members have a say on assets gained during a period when they didn't care where the money came from or the intentions of the people handing it over.

In my view the people putting savings in buckets or running events for fundraising to help their club had no idea that in the future the people controlling that would end up in such a powerful position at the Club, in hindsight the best thing Dundee FC could have done back in the day was label up all fundraising activities inside the stadium to be club events and money direct to the club.

The original Dee4Life did extraordinary things to help their Club, they moved rules and adapted to do their very best for the Club and general fanbase. Todays DFCSS would be well advised to think about that and do the same, canvas the wider base and get a consensus.

Hi hmac
You know that one of the problems of having 4,000 historical members was that it was very difficult to have a quorum at the AGM or Special Meeting as under the rules of the constitution at that time they needed around 200 members to be present. Members turned up for meetings when we were in admin 2 and shortly afterwards but like most groups members lose interest and does not bother turning up for AGM’s or other specially called meetings.

[islaydarkblue]

This is indeed the facts and in my view the very heart of the PR problem DFCSS has with some fans.

Here's some facts -

Dee4Life/DFCSS was a £1 to join organisation, pretty much the message was in the early early days they wanted everyone to join so made it accessible for all for life.

This worked really well and a lot of money was raised in Admin 1 to save the club.

Dee4Life/DFCSS had someone on the Board to make sure this never happened again.

It happened again.

In August 2010 Dee4Life/DFCSS had approx £8k in the bank

Dee4Life/DFCSS mobilised again in Admin 2 with a target of £250k to do the same again.

They did not reach it. They came nowhere near.

We could check how much they actually reached but despite having expensive web archives dating back to February 2009 the minutes of the meetings disappear from August 2010 January 2014 which is co-incidental I'm sure with the disappearing act of the very people mentioned in previous threads.

Dundee FC and it's staff raised more money during Admin 2 (fundraising that is not normal business operations like gate money etc.) than DFCSS did, despite the best efforts of the DFCSS Chairman at the time to stop this happening.

Now back to non-facts or opinion -

The biggest gripe most people have with DFCSS is the membership fee, this is quite obvious if you look at the dwindled members since it was £1 forever than £5 a year, and it's relationship with the belief they are somehow custodians of all things done and all monies raised in the previous incarnations. In plain English DFCSS now say only members have a say on assets gained during a period when they didn't care where the money came from or the intentions of the people handing it over.

In my view the people putting savings in buckets or running events for fundraising to help their club had no idea that in the future the people controlling that would end up in such a powerful position at the Club, in hindsight the best thing Dundee FC could have done back in the day was label up all fundraising activities inside the stadium to be club events and money direct to the club.

The original Dee4Life did extraordinary things to help their Club, they moved rules and adapted to do their very best for the Club and general fanbase. Todays DFCSS would be well advised to think about that and do the same, canvas the wider base and get a consensus.

In your original post you mentioned a Bob Barclay who was one of the saviours of the club along with Bryan Jackson and the Colvin’s.
Who is Bob Barclay.
Incidentally Bryan Jackson and his firm of administrators were handsomely paid for their work with the details available to read on the Companies House website.

[hmac]

In your original post you mentioned a Bob Barclay who was one of the saviours of the club along with Bryan Jackson and the Colvin’s.
Who is Bob Barclay.
Incidentally Bryan Jackson and his firm of administrators were handsomely paid for their work with the details available to read on the Companies House website.

Maybe ask DFCSS who Bob Barclay is, after all they’ll know if they really saved the Club right?

On the payment to the Administratiors, they were on a flat fee and received much less than might have been expected. They later had an additional payment due to additional work required by guess who.....yep DFCSS

Isley do you know where the missing minutes are? Or why they vanished from DFCSS website?

[islaydarkblue]

Maybe ask DFCSS who Bob Barclay is, after all they’ll know if they really saved the Club right?

On the payment to the Administratiors, they were on a flat fee and received much less than might have been expected. They later had an additional payment due to additional work required by guess who.....yep DFCSS

Isley do you know where the missing minutes are? Or why they vanished from DFCSS website?

Hi hmac,
Thanks for the information.
The next time I am speaking to one of the DFCSS directors I will ask who is Bob Barclay as you appear unwilling to say.
The information about the income and expenditure after we entered Administration 2 on the Companies House website is very illuminating. Despite cutting everything to the bone we only made a small surplus at the end of the 2010-11 season and that was only because there was a credit balance of £85k in the club bank account at the date we entered admin 2.
I do not know where the missing minutes are or why they have vanished from the DFCSS website. I used to enjoy reading the minutes as it gave me an insight into what was going on at the time.

[Taintedice]

I do not know where the missing minutes are or why they have vanished from the DFCSS website. I used to enjoy reading the minutes as it gave me an insight into what was going on at the time.

Doesn't take a genius to know who deleted the minutes so their behaviour would be covered up

[islaydarkblue]

Doesn't take a genius to know who deleted the minutes so their behaviour would be covered up

So who deleted the minutes.