o/t democracy is dead

[Stovicmiller]

If we don't leave they have no idea what's coming

[ragingpup]

I see Dyson, champion Brexiteer, has moved his business to Singapore.......3 months after Singapore sign a landmark free trade agreement with the EU. Beyond comment.

Some other companies leaving the UK or hitting the panic button:

• P&O announced that its entire fleet of cross-Channel ferries will be re-registered under the Cypriot flag, as the 182-year-old British maritime operator activated its Brexit plans.

• Sony confirmed it is moving its European headquarters from London to Amsterdam.

• The chief executive of luxury carmaker Bentley said the company was stockpiling parts and described Brexit as a “killer” threatening his firm’s profitability.

• Retailers Dixons Carphone and Pets at Home announced plans to shore up supplies in the event of chaos at British ports.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...major-uk-firms

[great_fire]

I also see that employment is at record levels, inflation is lowest for two years and a survey shows most bosses expect to invest more after Brexit.

[WanChaiMiller]

Ragingpup. Agree.

Lord Bamford of JCB is another putting up a con argument for the brexit campaign.

He says the best thing for Britain is to trade under WTO regs. Yet his holding company is in the Netherlands and he has manufacturing bases in Germany, India, Australia, China, Brasil and USA.

Rees Mogg is another. He relocated his investment company to Dublin. In its propectus they told investors it was necessary to 'avoid the uncertainty caused by Brexit and allow easier access to world markets'.

[gm_gm]

I see Dyson, champion Brexiteer, has moved his business to Singapore.......3 months after Singapore sign a landmark free trade agreement with the EU. Beyond comment.

Right headline but twisted again against the facts.

Dymond said he’s opening new centres to accommodate non eu trade, no job losses in the uk and will look to expand the uk operation.

For those that struggle with maps Asia is NOT part of the EU

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Historians still ask the question as to how the German people in WW2 believed the propaganda spouted out by Joseph Goebbels.

Looking at the project fear stuff of brexit it is much easier to understand.

[ragingpup]

I also see that employment is at record levels, inflation is lowest for two years and a survey shows most bosses expect to invest more after Brexit.

Re: Employment and Inflation, Brexit (with likely trade tariffs between us and our biggest trading partners as well as JIT delivery issues and ability to move goods between us and mainland EU) has not happened yet. My post was pointing in the direction that business is likely to respond to the No Deal arrangement that you would like and examples of some of our companies making these decisions. What is your response to these company's decision?

RE: Most bosses likely to invest more after Brexit, what is your source for that?

[KerrAvon]

Right headline but twisted again against the facts.

Dymond said he’s opening new centres to accommodate non eu trade, no job losses in the uk and will look to expand the uk operation.

For those that struggle with maps Asia is NOT part of the EU

I shook my head when I saw WanChai trying to make Dyson into a Brexit issue. In addition to your points, it is noteworthy that Dyson moved his production to Malaysia and Singapore in 2002 - 14 year before the referendum.

The bottom line is that Dyson is now an international company that derives just 4% of its turnover from the UK. It is, nonetheless a timely reminder that countries need to be competitive on issues such as cost and taxation in order to attract and retain businesses.

[KerrAvon]

Re: Employment and Inflation, Brexit (with likely trade tariffs between us and our biggest trading partners as well as JIT delivery issues and ability to move goods between us and mainland EU) has not happened yet. My post was pointing in the direction that business is likely to respond to the No Deal arrangement that you would like and examples of some of our companies making these decisions. What is your response to these company's decision?

RE: Most bosses likely to invest more after Brexit, what is your source for that?

Businesses are likely to respond to any change in their operating environment. Personally, I think any form of Brexit will have a negative impact upon the economy of this country in the short to medium term at least, but that is irrelevant as Brexit is what the electorate chose in 2016 (perhaps they wouldn’t have if your Great Leader had spoken out on the issue as opposed to hiding in his office).

One change to the operating environment that business take into account is Corporate Taxation rates. On that point, I'm guessing that you didn't look at the detail of the P&O announcement? They are reflagging in Cyprus to take account of more favourable tax rates than they will get if they remain in the UK. There is a lesson there for you but I appreciate that your politics make you likely to ignore it.

[wrinkly]

Historians still ask the question as to how the German people in WW2 believed the propaganda spouted out by Joseph Goebbels.

Looking at the project fear stuff of brexit it is much easier to understand.

Cuts both ways though "project fear". Is there any real difference between the propaganda of fear of remaining in the EU and the fear of leaving it?

Perhaps future historians will question how the citizens of the UK believed the propaganda spouted by Boris and his mates.

Goebbels is an interesting choice. A man who orchestrated the burning of books deemed "not German enough"
Taking back control?