DFCSS rears its ugly head again

[BCram]

I know that's baiting me but I'll bite.

The subsidising of auld adults is fricking madness in this day and age.

For me to renew it has to be a radical reduction to try and get more people in too improve the atmosphere.....sick of subsidising auld folk and paying over the odds to sit in a ****e atmosphere.

I really don't see it being that difficult for the club to strike a balance to maximise people in the ground whilst trying to bring in the same level of income.....there must be a figure.

Other thing and it's a bit random and jiggery pokery but....what about a season ticket that's a bit dearer say 300 (if you went to every game)but you pay as you go, say monthly in advance but you only pay for what you use. So you pay say £30 a month in June, you get to see 2 home games in July, pay £30 in July get to see 2 home games in August.

Ie it's like a patg but you could call it a members ticket or some ****e like that but it keeps the cost for the home fan down whilst still charging away fans (especially the old firm) full whack and obviously our own pay on the day fans wud still have to pay full whack to comply with the law.

for this discussion let's not think about pensioners and students and kids etc. I think the club will know exactly how their ST sales and PATG sales are made up. i was (nearly) embarrassed when I took my grown up child to the game, she was £25 and I was £15 for PATG. That was an average of £20. It's simple arithmetic to work out how much money any combination of ticket pricing policies would generate. I think the starting point should be where we are now and take things from there. There's a new finace director on the DFC board so perhaps he will have some innovative ideas, and if he doesn't what's the harm in firing off some suggestions on here. If we get things being thought about now, then there is a chance of having a good story to sell at the time for renewal of ST's.
Say 3000 ST's at present

75% were renewals
40% full price
40% age related discounts
20% Family related discounts

Would you agree this as a sensible working basis? will set up a spreadsheet but would like to have some sort of agreement on the basic numbers of ST's and whether the 75% are at the renewals price.

[Returnofrros]

for this discussion let's not think about pensioners and students and kids etc. I think the club will know exactly how their ST sales and PATG sales are made up. i was (nearly) embarrassed when I took my grown up child to the game, she was £25 and I was £15 for PATG. That was an average of £20. It's simple arithmetic to work out how much money any combination of ticket pricing policies would generate. I think the starting point should be where we are now and take things from there. There's a new finace director on the DFC board so perhaps he will have some innovative ideas, and if he doesn't what's the harm in firing off some suggestions on here. If we get things being thought about now, then there is a chance of having a good story to sell at the time for renewal of ST's.
Say 3000 ST's at present

75% were renewals
40% full price
40% age related discounts
20% Family related discounts

Would you agree this as a sensible working basis? will set up a spreadsheet but would like to have some sort of agreement on the basic numbers of ST's and whether the 75% are at the renewals price.

Deeranged baited me then ran away. His fault.😁 I'd be beyond embarrassed that's a minter of sconner proportions, ginger Jim falling asleep in the Spanish sun sconner.😁

Yes that wouldn't be far off....Imho

[Taintedice]

Why should we let in Celtic rangers fans cheaper when they fill or almost fill their ends no matter what?

Financial madness imho

DFCSS paid 4 grand for a set of accounts they discussed for a minute at their AGM, probably where islay gets his thinking from

[Deeranged]

The scheme wudnt target current season ticket holders though.

We did still have too make buying a season tic the most financially rewarding for the support.

The pay as you go scheme is targeted at current patg who just can't afford or budget for a lump sum payment and those folk who don't go now as they are lapsed season tic holders and can't justify £24 to £30 per game.

4000 season ticket holders 2000 members is surely better than an ever dwindling over paying system we have now.

Where does it end 500 folk paying £700 per season.

Have said plenty times before, the club would be as happy with 2,000 people paying £500 for a season ticket as they would be with 3,000 paying £300. They'd be happy to milk those at the higher end of earnings that can afford it, continually penalising them financially as more and more at the lower end drop out, until even the higher earners will say '**** that'. I have to say I'm close to saying '**** that' (again) and actually meaning it this time. I have my limit and I think next season might require more than that limit to secure my season ticket.

The lessening of the value doesn't help either, I'm missing more and more games that are midweek / Friday night now and the idea that a significant part of nearly £400 can be considered a 'donation' to the club is difficult for me to comprehend.

500 season ticket holders at £700 a skull might not be too pie the sky thinking mate except that to raise the necessary comparable budget the 500 would be forking out £2,000 each to sit in a crumbling Dens, watching more ****e and wondering how the **** we can't just get a £200 shed from B&Q to store hoses in.

[Taintedice]

Reduce season tics to a price where it's more likely a fan will buy rather than not buy.

2 years ago I said we shud be targeting 5000 season ticket holders progressing to 6000 over a 3/5 year period.

We have regressed.

The problem seems to me to be the ridiculous turnover of players every season/window. Must be on average 6 or 7 players being paid off by each successive manager, and manager/staff payoffs as well. If Nelms actually manages to appoint a decent manager in the summer, they have almost a blank canvas. Get it right, make those savings and it may be possible. Can't see prices ever being reduced, though, not even if its relegation.

[Taintedice]

I'm sure nobody wants the club to lose money because a game is chosen for TV but it would be good just for once if they put the fans first instead of always trying to maximize profits from loyal fans without even a nod in their direction.

wow, an almost positive comment about the club, well done. I would have thought even the dourest of dfcssers would fancy a Friday night under the lights rather than a dull saturday. As for doing something for the fans, there are approx 4000 free tickets swirling about, if someone wants to go to a game, I'm sure they'll manage to find one of them.

[Returnofrros]

Have said plenty times before, the club would be as happy with 2,000 people paying £500 for a season ticket as they would be with 3,000 paying £300. They'd be happy to milk those at the higher end of earnings that can afford it, continually penalising them financially as more and more at the lower end drop out, until even the higher earners will say '**** that'. I have to say I'm close to saying '**** that' (again) and actually meaning it this time. I have my limit and I think next season might require more than that limit to secure my season ticket.

The lessening of the value doesn't help either, I'm missing more and more games that are midweek / Friday night now and the idea that a significant part of nearly £400 can be considered a 'donation' to the club is difficult for me to comprehend.

500 season ticket holders at £700 a skull might not be too pie the sky thinking mate except that to raise the necessary comparable budget the 500 would be forking out £2,000 each to sit in a crumbling Dens, watching more ****e and wondering how the **** we can't just get a £200 shed from B&Q to store hoses in.

I've been to the qos game and Accies away since I packed it in 're Dodds potentially coming back.

Thing is I'm still engrossed in the results and what's going on but really do mot miss the "match day expirience" of actually attending.

It's so easy to go from never miss a home game to Jeff stelling, other hobbies and just no being prepared to subsidise others to sit in a ****hole.

I'm at that point.....never ever thought I wud be but I am.

They really have to radically rethink or the games up the poley.

[Returnofrros]

The problem seems to me to be the ridiculous turnover of players every season/window. Must be on average 6 or 7 players being paid off by each successive manager, and manager/staff payoffs as well. If Nelms actually manages to appoint a decent manager in the summer, they have almost a blank canvas. Get it right, make those savings and it may be possible. Can't see prices ever being reduced, though, not even if its relegation.

Then the cycle of dwindling attendances will continue.

But your Almost certainly correct 're reduction in price.

[Taintedice]

Getting a stable team on the park can only help the club, and if they are half-decent, people may come back. The guys who have stopped buying a ST, you'd need to get the excitement of the Bonetti team without the cost. Flogging a dead horse here, I think. Don't think the previous owners did anything to encourage more STs, either. Tough job.

[Returnofrros]

Getting a stable team on the park can only help the club, and if they are half-decent, people may come back. The guys who have stopped buying a ST, you'd need to get the excitement of the Bonetti team without the cost. Flogging a dead horse here, I think. Don't think the previous owners did anything to encourage more STs, either. Tough job.

It is tough but something's gotta give.

I reckon we have lost over a 1000 in 3 years, this were people who went to Dens when we were in the Dabby league for nearly a decade.

I honestly think we can lose another 1000 plus this summer if this isn't addressed now.