Islamophobia and the Tories...

[1959_60]

Bloody hell, the right wing snowflakes are certainly taking over this board.

Genuine question...if you feel that you are unable to discuss islamic beliefs in our country, if you think that the future of the UK is islam and if you don't like islamists, then why don't you simply bugger off to a white christian country?

I well remember when I was at school in the 50's and 60's the way we were taught what a brilliant country we had in when we had our empire. We were supposed to be proud of the way that we invaded and took over many countries round the globe. The white mans natural position was a supremacist.

Of course, I took it all in and believed it - until I came to my senses in my 20's. Sadly, many of my peer group still believe that white British men are superior to anyone else.

The world has changed, Britain has changed, and I believe it is a much better place today than it used to be. I recall in those days that women were treated as second class citizens. Being a practicing gay was illegal. Foreigners were openly abused both in public and in the media. There was plenty of REAL poverty. Our country was filthy mess. The class system was much worse than today.

If you want to return to those days then that is your choice - I am happier living in the 21st century thank you very much.

There is no place for racism in our society today, whether it is racism against Jews, blacks, white or any other race or creed. If you disagree then I am calling you a racist.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

The three million adherents living in the UK who devotedly respect the Five Pillars of Islam, which are obligatory acts of worship and follow Islamic Sharia law, which touches on virtually every aspect of life and society, from banking and welfare to women and the environment seems totally at odds to me with a country built on the Judeo-Christian values of the Torah.

Take your head out of the Lib/Dem inspired drivel clouds 1959_60, we have given ourselves a huge problem. The cities of Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem are home to the three holiest sites in Islam and this gives Western values and civilisation a very divisive global political problem.

Issues such as Israel/Palestine, Iran/Israel, US interventions, nuclear war possibilities, domestic terrorism in the UK (remember Manchester?), Asian grooming gangs, Muslim anti-Semitism on a scale which makes the Labour Party look positively saintly, discuss Asian criminal gangs and the PC snowflakes charge you with being a "Racist" for having the audacity and temerity to debate the problem.

The moderate, peaceful Muslims of which there are many, the Imams, the UK's Muslim leaders and politicians need to denounce the [B]criminal activities of the Muslim community and IMHO the two thousand Mosques operating on British soil need constant surveillance. We have a real threat from within our nation inspired by a medieval and backward religion and I am anything but the "racist" you suggest all middle aged white men are.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Quite right Outwood, there is no such thing as 'Islamophobia'. A phobia is an irrational fear of something, there is nothing irrational about being at the very least concerned about certain aspects of Islam, the propensity for some of it's adherents to throw gays off high buildings, to create caliphates where infidels are beheaded, to destroy the state of Israel and every Jewish person on the planet, to attack and burn down Christian Churches, and the Christians inside if they can manage that as well, throughout the Middle East. There's plenty more, I could go on all night.
On a more local level, having been privy to the inside political workings of the Muslim community in Burnley over many years, I can guarantee that the animosity, even hatred, between the two different factions of the muslim community was more intense than anything displayed by a handful of Tories. But none of this fits the PC Brigade's narrative and is swept under the carpet.

Agreed sinkov! Religious fundamentalism has no place in a democratic civilized Western society and we are now reaping the whirlwind for being PC correct and allowing it to seed in our nation in the first place.

[army88]

Your right 59-60 and simplified they are simply on their own crusade as whites were all those years ago.

However your comments bugger of to a Christian country begger belief from a man like yourself who’s obviously seen for himself over many years.

My opinion is it wasn’t right then and certainly isn’t right now , we are supposed to have evolved as a nation not going backwards as it is now.

What is happening in Our Country where my grandparents fought for our freedom is the exact opposite, we are giving it away to a religion and it’s fanatical followers, I dread to think what it will be like for my grandchildren.

If you think that is acceptable, then so be it - it’s not really about you or me as we won’t get to see the the full outcome I don’t think.

As for racist I certainly am not , but I’m more than a little concerned about what is happening to our Great country and how it’s diminishing into a weak nation that week on week gives away everything that is ours including our beliefs and pride.

Do you really believe that people can talk openly about this, you can be arrested now for having an opinion - the world is mad 59-60

[sinkov]

"if you feel that you are unable to discuss islamic beliefs in our country, if you think that the future of the UK is islam and if you don't like islamists, then why don't you simply bugger off to a white christian country?"

Dear me 59, I'm surprised at you, suggesting that people should re-locate themselves and their family to another country, that's a bit extreme isn't it ? I can remember Enoch Powell advocating a similar course of action for some people many years ago, and he was a supremacist wasn't he ? He would have been proud of you.

[sinkov]

"Bloody hell, the right wing snowflakes are certainly taking over this board."

I think you're getting confused with your terminology 59, have a look at this,

"Generation Snowflake, or Snowflake Generation, is a neologistic term used to characterize the millennial generation as being more prone to taking offence and having less psychological resilience than previous generations, or as being too emotionally vulnerable to cope with views that challenge their own."

I don't think there are many Millennials posting on here, possibly Gammon is the insult you were looking for ? I thought you were woke ?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

All Lib/Dems are snowflakes sinkov, it goes with the territory, but like 1959_60 they just don't realise it.

[alfinyalcabo]

I hate it when I'm travelling all over the country and all I can hear are loads of foreign languages and all I can see are women wearing black veils with a postbox slot in them.. I hate walking around my once beloved town Nelson and seeing the drug dealing Phookin Stanley's corrupting the young ones or the racing of BMW's bought with their drug dealing money gains.. Does that make me a racist in your book 59/60.. ?

[1959_60]

Evening all.

first, the word "snowflake"

Definition - "Snowflake is a 2010s derogatory slang term for a person, implying that they have an inflated sense of uniqueness, an unwarranted sense of entitlement, or are over-emotional, easily offended, and unable to deal with opposing opinions."

Now, I couldn't have written a more apt term for the right wing nut jobs who get their knickers in a twist when their views on race, politics or anything are challenged. They are totally unbending in their beliefs and are morally outraged if people don't agree with them.
So "snowflake" it is then.

Regarding racism.

Most people (me included) are very critical of the way that the Labour party is handling anti-semitism.

But...

These same people are criticising people who are critisising anti-muslim activity in the Tory party.

Anyone who has dabbled in politics (BT?) are well aware that this is a long standing part of who the Tories are - but they have got away with it scot free - until now.

And yes, I wrote "if you feel that you are unable to discuss islamic beliefs in our country, if you think that the future of the UK is islam and if you don't like islamists, then why don't you simply bugger off to a white christian country?"

I simply can't understand that if the way the country that you live in makes you feel that way that you don't decide to go and live somewhere more in tune with your thoughts.
If I felt that critical about our country then I would certainly clear off. But if you wish to remain here then you have to accept that we now live in a mixed race society, and that is never going to change. So we had better get used to getting on with each other.

I am lucky enough to have people who I call friends from Asian, African, European and American heritage during my time at university, work and politics. And the only problems I have encountered personally have been a small number of white Brits.

White Brit males are not superior to any other race. Sorry to tell you that. Tommy Robinson is just plain wrong and he is one of the group of white male Brits I mentioned above.

If you feel frightened or threatened by foreigners then why not try to actually meet and talk to them? They are just ordinary human beings the same as you or I.

[sinkov]

"first, the word "snowflake"

Definition - "Snowflake is a 2010s derogatory slang term for a person, implying that they have an inflated sense of uniqueness, an unwarranted sense of entitlement, or are over-emotional, easily offended, and unable to deal with opposing opinions."

Nice try 59, and I can understand why you would try, but just more lefty FAKE NEWS. This is from Wiki, a bit of background for you.

"The term "Generation Snowflake", or its variant "Snowflake Generation", probably originated in the United States[5] and came into wider use in the United Kingdom in 2016[3] following the publication of Claire Fox's book I Find That Offensive!. In it she wrote about a confrontation between Yale University students and faculty Head of College, Nicholas Christakis.[9][10] The confrontation arose after Christakis' wife, Erika Christakis, a lecturer at the university, had suggested students should "relax a bit rather than labeling fancy dress Halloween costumes as culturally insensitive", according to Fox.[9] Fox described the video showing the students' reaction as a "screaming, almost hysterical mob of students".[9] Fox said the backlash to the viral video led to the disparaging moniker "generation snowflake" for the students.[9]
"Snowflake generation" was recognised as one of Collins Dictionary's 2016 words of the year.[11] Collins defines the term as "the young adults of the 2010s, viewed as being less resilient and more prone to taking offense than previous generations".[11] Similarly, in 2016 the Financial Times included snowflake in their annual Year in a Word list, defining it as "a derogatory term for someone deemed too emotionally vulnerable to cope with views that challenge their own, particularly in universities and other forums once known for robust debate" and noting that the insult had been aimed at an entire generation.[2]"

"According to Claire Fox, members of Generation Snowflake "are genuinely distressed by ideas that run contrary to their worldview"; they are more likely than previous generations of students to report that they have mental health problems.[10] Fox and journalist Bryony Gordon described these traits as being coupled with a strong sense of entitlement.[10][12] According to an article titled "The 'Snowflake' Generation: Real or Imagined?" from the John William Pope Center reasons proposed by researchers for the reported increase in mental health problems among university students differ.[13] They vary from increased pressure on students, reduced self-reliance resulting from overuse of mental health services, to university authorities' expectations of student fragility[13"

"Historian Neil Howe, who has written multiple books on generations, describes the term "Generation Snowflake" as part of a wider societal pattern of criticizing Millennials. Howe notes that "generation snowflake" is also used to criticize young adults for living with their parents at higher rates than older generations."

But of course you know all this 59, and so do the snowflakes themselves, they know who they are, but it's an absolute classic isn't it, it describes perfectly a whole generation of lefty, virtue-signalling, self-righteous, PC obsessed millennials, terrified of having to engage with anyone who might hold a different world view to their own. So of course they would like to widen the qualification and make it more general, and of course you will go along with it, but rest assured mate, it's aimed at a specific group, and sadly it doesn't include me and it doesn't include you either. If only it did.