O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[mellowmiller]

Rees Mogg providing evidence you're wrong, the UK does have a say in EU affairs quote “We could veto any increase in the budget, obstruct the putative EU army and block Mr Macron’s integrationist schemes,”

In order to secure a longer delay the EU will pat the UK poodle on the head and insist it must not be disruptive in any way. Our glorious, self-serving politicians will meekly agree, secure in the knowledge that this makes Brexit even less likely.

[ragingpup]

60%

So of the 52% Leave voters, you would estimate that 60% would vote for No Deal and 40% would vote for a May/+CU deal?

I would agree that would be likely.

So isn’t it fair to argue (accepting the Leavers insistence that the 2016 referendum views are unchanged and that we should not vote again) that the 48% would most certainly back Leave with May’s negotiated/amended Deal.

And then if we accept that about 40% of the 52% would by your own admittance back Mays/amended Deal leaving us with a national 69% consensus (40% of 52% = 21% and then add this to the 48% who voted Remain) to Leave the UK with May’s/amended deal? Against 60% of the 52% = 31% of the total electorate.

So isn’t it right that we should be leaving but with the best deal that we could negotiate and get through parliament? That’s what the public wants, and that’s what May is trying to do isn’t it?

[Exiletyke]

60% just speculation rp

but the 17.4 million is fact
Do I see you on daily basis putting forward all this flapdoodle, you know it's called Parliament & the endless Soubry style arguments just keep on
We have a remain Parliament & a remain narrative that is backed by big business & that's the top & bottom of it
I don't know how many times you need reminding that May's deal is not leaving

[KerrAvon]

Are you chaps going to move on to how many angels could dance on the head of a pin and other equally meaningless and speculative questions?

[Exiletyke]

Are you chaps going to move on to how many angels could dance on the head of a pin and other equally meaningless and speculative questions?

You could break the habit of a lifetime & start a thread about the subject
My speculative estimate would be 42 [as it's the answer to most things] but I think the answer might be governed by the size of the pin
not to mention the size of the angels feet

[ragingpup]

60% just speculation rp

but the 17.4 million is fact
Do I see you on daily basis putting forward all this flapdoodle, you know it's called Parliament & the endless Soubry style arguments just keep on
We have a remain Parliament & a remain narrative that is backed by big business & that's the top & bottom of it
I don't know how many times you need reminding that May's deal is not leaving

Do you think that the way we leave the EU should be as close as possible to reflecting the overall views of the whole British public? Not just the 52% who voted to ‘Leave’ (with of course there being no definition of what ‘Leave’ might look like = the **** we’re in).

If we are going to leave with an arrangement that would democratically reflect the views of the majority of people living in the country and paying their taxes, then surely we would be looking at what the majority want? Which surely points to a Deal? (48% Remainers plus the % of Leavers who would want this Deal in preference to No Deal – surely there would be more than 3% of them!)

Totally appreciate your strength of feeling on this issue (and others on here) but it irks me that a minority of the public (significant minority I concede) are trying to impose their will onto the rest of us on this. I voted remain and have argued against May’s deal and in favour of legally binding protections, but if all fails and May’s deal is voted through I’m happy to accept that as done and dusted (without arguing for another vote etc). It’s not my ideal deal either, but I would accept that it falls roughly into the area where most people in the UK stand as a compromise amidst all the complexities we’ve faced with it. A No Deal would not be a democratic outcome, the numbers don’t reflect it, in public as well as parliament.

[KerrAvon]

The 'legally binding protections' that you are arguing for are legally impossible. I understand that a good deal of the time spent in the inter party talks had to be used to explain that to Labour, which is a bit depressing when you think about it, particularly as Keir Starmer is a bright bloke.

[Exiletyke]

The 'legally binding protections' that you are arguing for are legally impossible. I understand that a good deal of the time spent in the inter party talks had to be used to explain that to Labour, which is a bit depressing when you think about it, particularly as Keir Starmer is a bright bloke.

And just where do you get such infomation from pray tell
More speculation ?

[great_fire]

Just been watching a doc about Britain and the EU. Thatcher was fanatically pro-Europe until Delors told the TUC he would give them back the powers they had had taken away by the Thatcher governments. Even after that she signed us up to the DRM.

In 1975 she told Tony Benn that if Leave won she would ignore the referendum result.

Kinnock on the other hand was very much anti-EU and then became a EU Commission we and fanatically pro-EU, all the money probably helped.

This said to me that the Tories and Labour have never been trustworthy on Europe. Starting right back in 1970 when Heath knew the Common Market would become a political and economic union and Britain would have less power than an American state, none of this was revealed to the public at the time.

[Exiletyke]

That's a good post gf