Net spend

[ghostrider]

The Pro-Ashley bands are the type of people who were happy to doff their cap to the mill owner hours after their kid lost an arm in a machines working in the mill.

Absolutely nothing like it.

I'm not fan of the man how he has demoralised and humiliate the Newcastle fans is the worst indictment and shouldn't be allowed.

The man is human himself and he's been crucified much much worse than he could ever do to a football fan.
The man owns the club and the club is still in the premier league even after a few relegations, that happened, not due to under investment, but by failure of manager and team/squad to gel and put their heart and soul into the club.

Few hated the man when we won the championship. Many were contemplating forgiving him for the supposed monstrous things he's done, as was made out.
As for being demoralised. I don't feel it and I've been a fan for close to 50 years. But then again I concentrate on what happens from the players and managers point, not from whether the owner will be nice or truthful or whether, supposedly burning my eyes out with his so called advertising...etc...etc...etc.
It's became a frenzy but it's a frenzy borne from storytelling narratives to follow...and people simply follow it if it's bad and disbelieve it and scorn it if it appears to be good.

When he says there is no money or spouts that nonsense that 'every penny is available' anyone with half a brain knows that's horse Sh!te!

What is said and what is done is life, is not just an Ashley thing.
The reality is very simple. We buy players and we sell them.
The players we buy are good and bad like all clubs.
The issue is, with some...the players are not net spends so are cast off as mediocre, even though some have turned out to be pretty good and much better than was first thought.

I call that progression that can be built upon and yet no need to deal in mass amounts of notes if you can offset by player sales.
That's real investment. Ploughing back your profit on your assets into better assets.
I think we do that very well under the circumstances.

It's clear to see that the revenue streams of a club as big as ours return less money for running the club, developing the facilities and investing in players than much smaller clubs in terms of fan base like Brighton or Bournmouth or Wolves etc etc is outrageous!

Brighton and Bournemouth finished below us.
What do they get for their investments?
What did we get for our investments of Mitrovic, Wijnaldum and co?
Investment and ambition. What exactly do they mean in football anymore?

Liverpool, Man City and co cannot be used as any yardstick because it's not really investment in the real sense of the word and nor is it ambition in the real sense of the word.
It's over expectation dependent on outlay that is clearly unsustainable in a fair set up.
That's the reality.

Had we had a wealth owner or consortium who were aggressive in seeking better and better sponsorship deals which will improve the over finances of the club which leads to benefits in the playing staff, facilities and enjoyment of the fans.

Like Q.P.R eh?
I am actually glad we have Ashley. I seriously seriously mean it.
I don't hold the man in contempt like some do and in a backhanded type of way, I thank him a lot more than I get frustrated by his actions on certain issues.
I see a club ran fairly well. Could be better and could be a damn sight worse by a long way.
I have a good enough memory of the times when Ellis Short was commended by Newcastle fans for being a proper owner and Ashley the Devil.
Why?
Well Ellis gave the fans what he thought they craved...and what he craved himself, which was a stab at some semblance of success by an apparent ambitious attempt to invest for it.
The rest is history with that mindset.

Us?
Where are we?

Sometimes you have to be ultra careful what you wish for.
I am careful what I wish for.

This is hubris people, you gotta speculate to accumulate!

Thanks all

Yep, as long as your speculation is not all your eggs into one basket.

[Ragatino]

Absolutely nothing like it.

The man is human himself and he's been crucified much much worse than he could ever do to a football fan.
The man owns the club and the club is still in the premier league even after a few relegations, that happened, not due to under investment, but by failure of manager and team/squad to gel and put their heart and soul into the club.

Few hated the man when we won the championship. Many were contemplating forgiving him for the supposed monstrous things he's done, as was made out.
As for being demoralised. I don't feel it and I've been a fan for close to 50 years. But then again I concentrate on what happens from the players and managers point, not from whether the owner will be nice or truthful or whether, supposedly burning my eyes out with his so called advertising...etc...etc...etc.
It's became a frenzy but it's a frenzy borne from storytelling narratives to follow...and people simply follow it if it's bad and disbelieve it and scorn it if it appears to be good.


Too long, didn't read.


What is said and what is done is life, is not just an Ashley thing.
The reality is very simple. We buy players and we sell them.
The players we buy are good and bad like all clubs.
The issue is, with some...the players are not net spends so are cast off as mediocre, even though some have turned out to be pretty good and much better than was first thought.

I call that progression that can be built upon and yet no need to deal in mass amounts of notes if you can offset by player sales.
That's real investment. Ploughing back your profit on your assets into better assets.
I think we do that very well under the circumstances.

Brighton and Bournemouth finished below us.
What do they get for their investments?
What did we get for our investments of Mitrovic, Wijnaldum and co?
Investment and ambition. What exactly do they mean in football anymore?

Liverpool, Man City and co cannot be used as any yardstick because it's not really investment in the real sense of the word and nor is it ambition in the real sense of the word.
It's over expectation dependent on outlay that is clearly unsustainable in a fair set up.
That's the reality.

Like Q.P.R eh?
I am actually glad we have Ashley. I seriously seriously mean it.
I don't hold the man in contempt like some do and in a backhanded type of way, I thank him a lot more than I get frustrated by his actions on certain issues.
I see a club ran fairly well. Could be better and could be a damn sight worse by a long way.
I have a good enough memory of the times when Ellis Short was commended by Newcastle fans for being a proper owner and Ashley the Devil.
Why?
Well Ellis gave the fans what he thought they craved...and what he craved himself, which was a stab at some semblance of success by an apparent ambitious attempt to invest for it.
The rest is history with that mindset.

Us?
Where are we?

Sometimes you have to be ultra careful what you wish for.
I am careful what I wish for.

Yep, as long as your speculation is not all your eggs into one basket.

Too long, didn't read.

[Nufcian]

The reason our net spend is so low is we have sold off players that really had any value, and the SQUAD has become progressively worse over the last few seasons.

Out best player of this season (Rondon), last season (Kenedy) aren’t our players even FFS.

We’ve downgraded the squad and it’s taken years to get to where we are now, but the best striker on OUR books is deemed surplus to requirement in any Premiership team he’s been a member of, and we’ve got little to none premiership quality strength in depth and have survived because of a proven manager.

Also...I haven’t even read Ghosts comments, I saw they were long, and they’ll be the same we can’t compete so we shouldn’t bother, and should be happy with why we have... either he’s a wind up merchant or he’s just a bit simple.

[ex_pat_magpie]

The reason our net spend is so low is we have sold off players that really had any value, and the SQUAD has become progressively worse over the last few seasons.

Out best player of this season (Rondon), last season (Kenedy) aren’t our players even FFS.

We’ve downgraded the squad and it’s taken years to get to where we are now, but the best striker on OUR books is deemed surplus to requirement in any Premiership team he’s been a member of, and we’ve got little to none premiership quality strength in depth and have survived because of a proven manager.

Also...I haven’t even read Ghosts comments, I saw they were long, and they’ll be the same we can’t compete so we shouldn’t bother, and should be happy with why we have... either he’s a wind up merchant or he’s just a bit simple.

Nail on head comes to mind.

[ghostrider]

The reason our net spend is so low is we have sold off players that really had any value, and the SQUAD has become progressively worse over the last few seasons.

The reason why our net spend is so low is due to players gaining in value and wanting out when they were touted by bigger clubs.
All we could do is take advantage of the higher value.
What else can the club do if a player wants out, but to get the best price for that player.

Out best player of this season (Rondon), last season (Kenedy) aren’t our players even FFS.

Rondon's been a great addition, on loan but there's a few players that have been as good and came good. kenedy isn't one of those players. I recall many fans not being overly excited about Rondon but hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn't it?

We’ve downgraded the squad and it’s taken years to get to where we are now,

No we haven't downgraded the squad.
We've spent a lot less in cash on the squad but the squad is far better, in my opinion.

but the best striker on OUR books is deemed surplus to requirement in any Premiership team he’s been a member of, and we’ve got little to none premiership quality strength in depth and have survived because of a proven manager.

We've got enough premiership quality strength in depth. It may not be top 8 premiership quality strength in depth but is definitely more than capable of holding its own in the premiership as it stands, with or without Rafa.

Too much smoke's been blown up his aris as if he's some kind of miracle worker. He's a decent manager but this same squad of players would have avoided relegation with many managers, as long as they respected the manager in charge of them. In my honest opinion.