O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[Exiletyke]

Exile, I really enjoyed that Blue Tango you posted for me. However, I'm a little hurt by the implication here: if you read my recent paper in the Journal of Socialist Studies, "Brexit, a revolution in one country?" you would see that I have read WAB not once but several times.

QUOTE=wendun;39229773]Exile, I really enjoyed that Blue Tango you posted for me. However, I'm a little hurt by the implication here: if you read my recent paper in the Journal of Socialist Studies, "Brexit, a revolution in one country?" you would see that I have read WAB not once but several times.[/QUOTE]

You may have read the WA which is commendable but you seem not able to read a simple post so here it is again

"I think it would be a good idea if you read the WA rp all 500+ pages "

You may note "rp"
Bit of a clue there wendun as it was aimed at rp
So if you've read WA several times I find it odd that you think the WA means leaving
& I must confess that on my way to the book shop/library your "Brexit, a revolution in one country" isn't uppermost in my mind....sorry
Btw aren't revolutions usually in one country?
Hope you're not hurt

[BigLadonOS]

My X went in the Brexit box - WTO here we come - fingers crossed

[rolymiller]

I don't think it's so straightforward. 48% voted for the status quo. All of them knew what that was. 52% voted for change. But what change? As there are Leavers who want a WTO No Deal, Leavers who want WAB, Leavers who want a Customs Union and Leavers who want various oprions based on Canada, Norway and God knows what you can't just lump them all in. The proof of that is the Leavers themselves: large sections of Leavers are calling other Leavers "traitors" and worse. The idea that there is a form of Brexit that satisfies the disparate elements in the 52% is rubbish. Whatever form Brexit takes it's pretty obvious that 48% plus probably around 20-25% ("betrayed" Leavers wanting a different form of Brexit) are going to be against it. How is that democratic? Why cannot the people be allowed a say on the ACTUAL form of Brexit finally decided upon?

Well put Mr. Monty. You are not a bounder and a cad after all at least not on this matter. What version of Brexit do Brexiteers want indeed! Once you start dividing the Brexit vote the No Brexit vote looks pretty chunky. There is the Farage Xenophobic style Brexit then you have the lefty Brexit which is more to do with protecting workers etc. These are totally different versions of Brexit.

[ragingpup]

Yes it is
Well it's convinced rp

I'm just not that into conspiracy theories is all. I've read enough digests to have a pretty good idea as to the pros and cons of the deal, despite me being an utter bimbo. I've tried hard to support a compromise that satisfies as many of the people as poss, including the Leave voters who don't want no deal and the remain voters that will accept a compromise.

I think Monty is correct in that Brexit is hugely flawed in its ambiguous wording, asking if people wanted to Leave when even Leave voters can't agree on what they mean. Looking back out should have been Leave on WTO v Remain. But that's very clever with hindsight.

Probably a referendum with this question is the only way forward to find out if the public really support a hard brexit. Hard to see any other solution at the moment. Maybe fairer to ask No Deal v May's Deal however if we have to rerun it.

It's a huge political **** up but I can't agree that it's a conspiracy.

[rolymiller]

Yep think more to do with inept politicians than conspiracy. If footy supporters could gather in parliament the best rendition of a song would be "you don't know what you're doing"

[Exiletyke]

I'm just not that into conspiracy theories is all. I've read enough digests to have a pretty good idea as to the pros and cons of the deal, despite me being an utter bimbo. I've tried hard to support a compromise that satisfies as many of the people as poss, including the Leave voters who don't want no deal and the remain voters that will accept a compromise.

I think Monty is correct in that Brexit is hugely flawed in its ambiguous wording, asking if people wanted to Leave when even Leave voters can't agree on what they mean. Looking back out should have been Leave on WTO v Remain. But that's very clever with hindsight.

Probably a referendum with this question is the only way forward to find out if the public really support a hard brexit. Hard to see any other solution at the moment. Maybe fairer to ask No Deal v May's Deal however if we have to rerun it.

It's a huge political **** up but I can't agree that it's a conspiracy.

So you really think that we've got to where we are by accident or incompetence
Whilsat I don't reckon much to our political rulers I don't believe for one moment that they are that stupid to make such monumental [apparently] & fundamental c ock ups for it not to be deliberate & devious
I don't think reading digests is enough as you will get some authour bias one way or the other
Read the actual WA

[animallittle3]

Voted for The Brexit Party Farage and Mogg's sister .

Never gave it a second thought .

[WanChaiMiller]

My X went in the Brexit box - WTO here we come - fingers crossed

I import. I would not touch WTO with a barge pole - particularly in relation to importing from Europe. Cannot see any reason to choose this as our preferred way to trade internationally.

Please explain how you see the advantages?

[Exiletyke]

I import. I would not touch WTO with a barge pole - particularly in relation to importing from Europe. Cannot see any reason to choose this as our preferred way to trade internationally.

Please explain how you see the advantages?

Importing eh?
Any exporting?

[rolymiller]

Voted for The Brexit Party Farage and Mogg's sister .

Never gave it a second thought .

How can you trust a man that is a complete idiot even if you agree with him on Brexit. Surely rational folks vote on the complete package and not one issue? When ever I have voted I have always considered all of the issues. Am i not being rational if I do this?