O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[ragingpup]

Any deal the UK and the EU could ever do would not be about the people of the UK it would only ever be about the large conglomerates and how to keep them happy.

Once out of the EU we hold the upper hand or does no one get that?

I get that we could do that and as I keep saying, I'm no fan of the EU, but on balance the evidence strongly suggests that the economic damage will outweigh the benefits. But whenever that is put forward, leave voters only ever seem to indicate that the evidence is distorted and scare tactics. But even leavers on here say that it may cost them their jobs. This is from them. I'm willing to compromise but not to that extent

[animallittle3]

Isn't voting for a Couldn't they vote for a confirmatory referendum a 4th option?

And if it came to a vote in Parliament between no deal and revoke, based on previous voting patterns, which do you think would win? Genuine question, it seems to be revoke to me based on the No Deal vote. But then again, there hasnt been a straight :revoke' vote yet has there? Wouldn't a vote for 2nd referendum be more likely?

As I said earlier two options now remain with May gone .

Leave with no deal or Remain in the EU .

The new hierarchy in the tory party aren't going to go over May's old ground .

Any soft brexiters or remain MP's in their camp will soon be won over easily enough when anything other than leave without a deal is the only option to cling to power and have a realistic chance of winning another election and by definition save their careers .

[BigLadonOS]

I posted not many posts above this that we have already set up trade agreements with over 30 countries that are outside the EU on either the same terms set out by the EU which we already work to or even better deals than we have via the EU and there are more queuing up to sign deals with us once we leave. The only countries we do not have a deal with that we really do want a deal with is those within the EU. However as the 5th largest economy in the world those EU member countries will put pressure on the leadership of the EU to make a deal with us or they will also leave the EU. Do you not think our missing 39 billion pounds will not cause them massive problems? Who will the EU leadership go to to get those 39 Billion pounds from? Do you think the remaining countries will split that 39 Billion pounds between them and get nothing back for it and also lose any trade they currently have with the UK on top of it?

Do me a favour mate wake up and smell the coffee.

[KerrAvon]

Isn't voting for a Couldn't they vote for a confirmatory referendum a 4th option?

And if it came to a vote in Parliament between no deal and revoke, based on previous voting patterns, which do you think would win? Genuine question, it seems to be revoke to me based on the No Deal vote. But then again, there hasnt been a straight :revoke' vote yet has there? Wouldn't a vote for 2nd referendum be more likely?

Lol. A confirmatory referendum is a variation of Option3 - Parliament hoping that a majority of the electorate will tell them to revoke so as to let them off the hook.

With the May deal dead and no deal being the default, your question boils down to 'would there be a majority for revocation'.

I don't know.

With the exception of the DUP (and the Brexit Party MP after the Peterborough by-election) all the minor parties would vote for revocation, whilst all but a handful of Tories would vote against. In other words, it would come down to how many Labour Party (Non-London section) MPs would be willing to kiss away their seats by supporting it.

It would put The Great Leader in a tricky position given that he is a Leaver at heart.

[BigLadonOS]

I get that we could do that and as I keep saying, I'm no fan of the EU, but on balance the evidence strongly suggests that the economic damage will outweigh the benefits. But whenever that is put forward, leave voters only ever seem to indicate that the evidence is distorted and scare tactics. But even leavers on here say that it may cost them their jobs. This is from them. I'm willing to compromise but not to that extent

More jobs than ever will be created once we leave the EU because we will have to hire our own people to do those jobs because the cheap labour days will be over.

[BigLadonOS]

Here is something to think about.

All those large conglomerates will have to start paying more taxes! If they dont like it they will probably fruck off to somewhere else right? But where will they go? They wont go to the EU because we will not have a deal with the EU and so they will not be allowed to trade with us, they will have to make private agreements with other countries outside the EU who will probably not be much more favourable than we will in any such deal made. Plus the costs of uprooting etc. They may well at some point decide to take that rout but that will be years away from right now.

Plus other big Conglomerates outside of the EU will be more than happy to stay with us on the same deal as with the EU. Interesting isn't it!

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

When (not if) the Italian economy goes tits up we will be wishing we had left the EU much earlier.

[BigLadonOS]

When (not if) the Italian economy goes tits up we will be wishing we had left the EU much earlier.

The EU are already asking us for another 10 Billion pounds next year because they know what is coming lol the thing is so do we.

[animallittle3]

Here is something to think about.

All those large conglomerates will have to start paying more taxes! If they dont like it they will probably fruck off to somewhere else right? But where will they go? They wont go to the EU because we will not have a deal with the EU and so they will not be allowed to trade with us, they will have to make private agreements with other countries outside the EU who will probably not be much more favourable than we will in any such deal made. Plus the costs of uprooting etc. They may well at some point decide to take that rout but that will be years away from right now.

Plus other big Conglomerates outside of the EU will be more than happy to stay with us on the same deal as with the EU. Interesting isn't it!

The only thing I would say is that Johnson if elected which looks likely could be our own Donald Trump .

There is a very good reason the likes of Johnson Mogg and a good proportion of tories are so hell bent on leaving the EU , historically something tells me paying more tax and looking after the working class isn't one of those reasons .

I'm happy enough to see Johnson and his minions grab power for the short term and take us out of the EU , useful idiots you might say .

Can't say I wish to see them in power much past the next election though .

The Labour Party better start getting its act together if they want to contest the next election because the incoming Tories running the country may make Thatcher look like Aneurin Bevan by comparison .

[ragingpup]

More jobs than ever will be created once we leave the EU because we will have to hire our own people to do those jobs because the cheap labour days will be over.

I see your pov but having read many articles and evidence from both sides, the overall economic impact would be extremely negative. Very few economists dispute that, certainly that I've seen.