O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[KerrAvon]

They've taken the Tories out of the Leave bar to make it look like there was a majority for Remain.

And an the bottom of the page they have "Why you can trust BBC News"

My favourite post of today (but there are still 11 hours or so to go). Last night you were upset because someone apparently added the Labour vote into the remain column (quite unnecessarily given the figures), but today you are upset because the BBC haven't added the Tories into Leave… Says it all really.

I think it a fair assumption that the only people voting for the Tories and Labour last Thursday were people who wouldn’t think of voting for any other party, or those who still believe in the soft Brexit that May was trying to sell and the slightly softer Brexit represented by Labour’s six tests. There would also be a few people who were voting Labour because they had no idea what their Brexit policy is, but assumed that it’s okay, because the Greater Leader says it is.

[BigLadonOS]

Nobody has said that WTO is ideal or perfect but it is the only way we can get our country back in our own hands.

[BigLadonOS]

My favourite post of today (but there are still 11 hours or so to go). Last night you were upset because someone apparently added the Labour vote into the remain column (quite unnecessarily given the figures), but today you are upset because the BBC haven't added the Tories into Leave… Says it all really.

I think it a fair assumption that the only people voting for the Tories and Labour last Thursday were people who wouldn’t think of voting for any other party, or those who still believe in the soft Brexit that May was trying to sell and the slightly softer Brexit represented by Labour’s six tests. There would also be a few people who were voting Labour because they had no idea what their Brexit policy is, but assumed that it’s okay, because the Greater Leader says it is.

Are you for real? The Cons are a leave party because that is how they won the Election. They are still a leave party so therefore must be taken into account on the leave side. Unreal straw clutching yet again.

[KerrAvon]

Also look at it this way, the EU would have to either make a deal with us or look elsewhere for those exports they get from us! your figures also mean disaster for the EU lol 44% of there imports would disappear over night. The stance of the EU do not seem to be worried about that 44% they seem to think that they will be ok when we leave taking that 44% with us so why should we be worried about it if they are not?

The EU will undoubtedly want a Trade Deal with the UK. I can tell you what will be in the first few lines: 1. That the UK settles it's £39bn membership bill. 2. That we enter into an arrangement, customs union or otherwise, that prevents a hard border in Ireland and 3. That we enter into an agreement to have mutual 'level playing field' provisions that prohibit state aid to failing companies etc.

It takes many years to create a Trade Deal, but the one with the EU might be slightly faster as a lot of the terms as a lot of the terms that the EU will insist upon can be lifted straight from the May deal.

As for missing exports from the UK – they wouldn’t have to. They could still impost from the UK if they were willing to pay the requisite tariffs. The point is that those tariffs will make importing from the UY less attractive and that the economy of the EU will dwarf that of the UK, meaning that they will almost certainly be able to source from within it.

P.s. The fact that 44% of UK exports goes to the EU doesn’t mean that 44% of EU imports come from the UK…

[Exiletyke]

Are you for real? The Cons are a leave party because that is how they won the Election. They are still a leave party so therefore must be taken into account on the leave side. Unreal straw clutching yet again.

The Tories a leave party?
Does that mean that you think Maybot's deal is /was a serious attempt at leaving [that's just for the gullible]
Must honour the referendum result my arse

[BigLadonOS]

The EU will undoubtedly want a Trade Deal with the UK. I can tell you what will be in the first few lines: 1. That the UK settles it's £39bn membership bill. 2. That we enter into an arrangement, customs union or otherwise, that prevents a hard border in Ireland and 3. That we enter into an agreement to have mutual 'level playing field' provisions that prohibit state aid to failing companies etc.

It takes many years to create a Trade Deal, but the one with the EU might be slightly faster as a lot of the terms as a lot of the terms that the EU will insist upon can be lifted straight from the May deal.

As for missing exports from the UK – they wouldn’t have to. They could still impost from the UK if they were willing to pay the requisite tariffs. The point is that those tariffs will make importing from the UY less attractive and that the economy of the EU will dwarf that of the UK, meaning that they will almost certainly be able to source from within it.

P.s. The fact that 44% of UK exports goes to the EU doesn’t mean that 44% of EU imports come from the UK…

Ker, The EU have many deals via WTO that do not encompass any of that ****e so why is it a given that will be their stance?

PS, nobody said that 44% of EU imports came from the UK I merely stated that the EU would lose the 44% of its imports they get from the UK overnight.

[KerrAvon]

Are you for real? The Cons are a leave party because that is how they won the Election. They are still a leave party so therefore must be taken into account on the leave side. Unreal straw clutching yet again.

You are pushing gf for that first place...

A few lines ago you were busily explaining that people vote Green for reasons other than Brexit, but now - because it suits you -are now insisting that people only voted Tory in 2017 because they are a leave party. Talk about the cake? You want the entire cake shop and to eat it.

Accept the figures. They don't lie even if you don't like what they are saying. There are entirely good reasons for not wanting a 2nd referendum, but trying to mutilate the outcome of the referendum for you own ends isn't one of them.

[BigLadonOS]

You are pushing gf for that first place...

A few lines ago you were busily explaining that people vote Green for reasons other than Brexit, but now - because it suits you -are now insisting that people only voted Tory in 2017 because they are a leave party. Talk about the cake? You want the entire cake shop and to eat it.

Accept the figures. They don't lie even if you don't like what they are saying. There are entirely good reasons for not wanting a 2nd referendum, but trying to mutilate the outcome of the referendum for you own ends isn't one of them.

Ker you are a total and utter fool. The cons won the election on the main point of leaving the EU so if you can count the Lib Dems and the green party on those values you also have to accept the cons on the same principle or do you just like to cherry pick for your own stance. Idiot.

[KerrAvon]

Ker, The EU have many deals via WTO that do not encompass any of that ****e so why is it a given that will be their stance?

PS, nobody said that 44% of EU imports came from the UK I merely stated that the EU would lose the 44% of its imports they get from the UK overnight.

1. We owe the EU £39bn and they aren’t going to forget that;
2.The EU has land borders with other non-EU countries, but none of them are subject to the terms of the Good Friday agreement in the way that the Irish border is.
3. 1. All WTO and other non-WTO trade deals have level playing field provisions. They would be untenable without them.

The EU doesn't get 44% of its imports from the UK so, even if Brexit did stop imports from the UK overnight (which, of course it wouldn't) it wouldn’t lose ‘the 44% of its imports they get from the UK (your words).

[BigLadonOS]

1. We owe the EU £39bn and they aren’t going to forget that;
2.The EU has land borders with other non-EU countries, but none of them are subject to the terms of the Good Friday agreement in the way that the Irish border is.
3. 1. All WTO and other non-WTO trade deals have level playing field provisions. They would be untenable without them.

The EU doesn't get 44% of its imports from the UK so, even if Brexit did stop imports from the UK overnight (which, of course it wouldn't) it wouldn’t lose ‘the 44% of its imports they get from the UK (your words).

So yet again you argue a point against yourself? hmmmmmm If they would not lose those imports why do you think that we would lose those imports we get from the EU? Your argument is beginning to let more water in than the Titanic did.