O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[ragingpup]

A most excellent post with one exception ....Mays deal does not leave the EU

If we agreed May's deal, would we be members of the EU?

Or would you be happy if we left on the terms of the deal but without the backstop? Would that be Leavey enough for you?

[ragingpup]

So based on the views of others on this board you will take MY word with a pinch of salt?

Great logic displayed there Raging!!!

No, probably not great wording, I'll try again. I will take your word that despite your passionate and heartfelt arguments about the EU, in the event of a narrow Remain win, you would have resisted the continuing battle from Farage, and the millions of hard core hard brexiters who would continue to battle to leave the EU,you personally would not have continued with this battle as it was non democratic.

You obviously have admirable principles and with regards to democracy and Farage clearly does not. I suspect, when it suits them, the other hard core leavers would not either.

[ragingpup]

It's very hard to predict how people would vote. As I mentioned yesterday, UKIP polled 27% in the 2014 Euro elections, but gained only a single seat in the 2015 GE. I don't think the backslide would be anywhere near as great if there were a GE in the near future, but history says that people do love a protest vote in elections that they don't think matter very much and then revert to type in GEs.

I agree that the 2016 result has to be honoured.

Has to be honoured? Even if that means a no deal that the vast majority of people in Parliament and public demonstrably (by simple maths of 48% + % people who wanted a deal) don't want?

I disagree on this, although I accept that our parliament set up the leaving with no deal as a default. Too much was made of the ease of agreeing a deal, and then the problem that our pm accepted that we separate the WA from the deal itself meaning that we could never really agree what the deal would look like before parliament agreed it. All seems a big botch job to just default to allowing a no deal without at least a check to see if, democratically, the majority want this to happen.

(I thought, if we were going to go down another vote route, your idea for a two stage vote is sensible)

[BigLadonOS]

You should be a headline writer for The Sun. Where is the infighting? Macron and Merkel favouring different candidates is hardly unexpected.

Weber would be a good outcome. He is an unashamed Anglophile.

It does not matter that you think he would be a good leader or not just as it seems that the new DEMOCRATIC rules brought it in for the last election dont matter either. Merkel backing a candidate that has no experience in leading anything let alone lead the EU.

Because the EU vote has gone the way the leaders never thought it would they are now wanting to change the rules again so throwing the DEMOCRATIC version of the new rulesout of the window. Typicle.

[BigLadonOS]

Yet he continued to chair of the Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy Group (the group for right wing populist parties in the EU Parliament).

That was the point I was making about being a pain lol.

The thing you cannot get your head round for some strange reason is that it is a right wing group but NOT a far right wing group.

[ragingpup]

That was the point I was making about being a pain lol.

The thing you cannot get your head round for some strange reason is that it is a right wing group but NOT a far right wing group.

Who would you classify as a UK far right politician BL?

[great_fire]

Farage is centre-right which is where the Tories used to be before they moved centre-left, hence him picking up so many ex-Tory voters.

[Exiletyke]

Has to be honoured? Even if that means a no deal that the vast majority of people in Parliament and public demonstrably (by simple maths of 48% + % people who wanted a deal) don't want?

I disagree on this, although I accept that our parliament set up the leaving with no deal as a default. Too much was made of the ease of agreeing a deal, and then the problem that our pm accepted that we separate the WA from the deal itself meaning that we could never really agree what the deal would look like before parliament agreed it. All seems a big botch job to just default to allowing a no deal without at least a check to see if, democratically, the majority want this to happen.

(I thought, if we were going to go down another vote route, your idea for a two stage vote is sensible)

When oh when will it sink in that we had a referendum with assurances from no less than the PM at the time that the public's decision would be implemented & guess what the country voted to leave, no qualification, just leave but as yet guess what we haven't left
The EU don't want us to leave & are well versed in making countries vote, vote & vote again
You are so naive & gullible it beggars belief so much so you're willing to throw your lot in with your nemesis KA

[ragingpup]

Farage is centre-right which is where the Tories used to be before they moved centre-left, hence him picking up so many ex-Tory voters.

Interesting Fire. Which of his policies, referring back to his ukip manifestos made him 'centrist' in your opinion?

And is there any politician in the UK that you would class as 'far right'?

[Exiletyke]

Not a fan of Boris by any stretch but ffs
If politicians are going to be taken to court for "lying", courts would have queues a mile long yet another attempt to add to the anti leave mob

Boris Johnson will be summonsed to court to face accusations of misconduct in public office over claims he was lying when he said the UK gave the EU £350 million a week.

The favourite to win the Tory leadership race faces a private prosecution by campaigner Marcus Ball.



Looking at the bus again a lawyer could & probably would argue that no specific promise was made let alone a lie
& I repeat I am not a fan of Boris