O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[great_fire]

Friendly cooperation with Barnier, Juncker, Verhofstadt, Tusk and their bosses Merkel and Macron, good luck with that, they barely crack a smile except Juncker when he's on the sauce.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Friendly cooperation with Barnier, Juncker, Verhofstadt, Tusk and their bosses Merkel and Macron, good luck with that, they barely crack a smile except Juncker when he's on the sauce.

Right from the beginning we should have told them we were leaving because the referendum result said so and left it to them to chase a deal with us.

But the remoaners threw that advantage away.

[WanChaiMiller]

I don't agree with this. I think most voters expected to leave the EU and then get a deal.

Read the quote from leave website above. Most people thought we would leave with a deal. It would be the easiest thing ever. They need us more than we need them.

[ragingpup]

Labour beat Brexit Party to hold Peterborough. That was predicted to be a safe Brexit return as 60% voted Leave. Must say I'm very surprised. Very small margins though. Don't think it'll change the fact that Labour need to change tack on Brexit.

[ragingpup]

Original Referendum vote for Rotherham.
https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/up...-leave-the-eu/

The country By constituency voted 406 Leave - 242 Remain

What you are basing your Remain quote on is the number of votes cast in the EU election last week but a GE is won by constituency not bloc.


Here are the results for each area:

Selby: 21,071 (remain) 30,532 (leave)
Leeds: 194,863 - 192,474
York: 63,617 - 45,983
Doncaster: 46,922 - 104,260
Wakefield: 58,877 - 116,165
Calderdale: 46,590 - 58,975
Kirklees: 98,485 - 118,755
Richmondshire: 11,945 - 15,691
Craven: 16,930 - 18,961
Scarborough: 22,999 - 37,512
Sheffield: 130,735 - 136,018
East Riding: 78,779 - 120,136
Barnsley: 38,951 - 83,958
Ryedale: 14,340 - 17,710
Harrogate: 48,211 - 46,374
Hambleton: 25,480 - 29,502
Rotherham: 44,115 - 93,272
Kingston Upon Hull: 36,709 - 76,646
Bradford: 104,575 - 123,913

Only 3 constituencies in Yorkshire and Humberside voted to remain.

Further evidence that the majority of Labour voters favour Remain over Leave when it comes to switching their vote.

Poll of 15,000 voters found:

"Focaldata’s analysis for Best for Britain and the Hope Not Hate campaign found that 42 per cent of those who backed Labour in 2017 would desert the party in a new general election, with the vast bulk (30 per cent) going to Remain-backing parties like the Lib Dems, 2 per cent to the Scottish National Party or Plaid Cymru and 10 per cent to the Brexit Party.

Tories would lose more than half of the voters who backed Theresa May in the last general election, with 37 per cent going to Farage’s party, 8 per cent to the Lib Dems and 2 per cent each to Labour and the Greens"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8946191.html

[WanChaiMiller]

We should negotiate a new UK-EU deal based on free trade and friendly cooperation. They will not do that as has been shown by the corruptness of the EU so what you want is to scrap us leaving the EU because they will not negotiate a fair deal? We have no option but to leave with NO DEAL because they will have us negotiating for a fair deal for however long the EU is alive.

I am not saying anything. I am pointing out that this is what Leave campaigned on. Leave MPs who signed up on it should work to deliver the promise. Failing that surely the vote is comprimised.

The EU are not corrupt and we have not got to the point where we can test what kind of deal we could achieve.

[great_fire]

Labour beat Brexit Party to hold Peterborough. That was predicted to be a safe Brexit return as 60% voted Leave. Must say I'm very surprised. Very small margins though. Don't think it'll change the fact that Labour need to change tack on Brexit.

Lots of people from Poland and Eastern Europe in Peterborough though, they're not going to vote for the Brexit Party.

[ragingpup]

I think, speaking as someone in touch with the campaigners there, it was more down to a large doorstep/phone action from labour supporters that focused on national issues other than Brexit. The Tory/Brexit party split did the rest.

It was the focus on how the town/society has deteriorated under the last governments that the local people can see around them and to convince enough people that blaming foreigners isn't going to stop that, but a change in economic and social policy will. That was the winning message.

But still too close for comfort, and big thinking to be done for Labour. Still getting too much wrong up top.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Labour beat Brexit Party to hold Peterborough. That was predicted to be a safe Brexit return as 60% voted Leave. Must say I'm very surprised. Very small margins though. Don't think it'll change the fact that Labour need to change tack on Brexit.

Yes, the Muslim vote just saved them

[Exiletyke]

Farage has been doing well because hes been saying things that many people want to hear & in my view his Brxit party was set fair to win this by election so why didn't he win it

What's changed is that he threw his lot in with Trump on his recent visit with Trump showing his true colours by declaring that the NHS is "up for grabs "
Learn the lesson all you politicians that the British public will not stand for the NHS being used in this way & Farage has demonstrated since & during Trump's visit where he sits in relation to the NHS
Well that's my take on it