O/T Jeremy corbyn

[howdydoo]

What do you mean by 'Activist'? I go to some Labour Party meetings, went to a momentum meeting back in 2017 but it wasn't for me, and attended a Hope Not Hate meeting a couple of weeks ago to look at ways we could counter race/religious hate crimes in our local community. If you define 'activists as someone who campaigns to bring about social/political change' then I guess I am. But isn't anyone who argues with others about politics/social issues, attends meetings, writes letters to papers/council/anyone is the same? And why is that a bad thing?

The only thing I would say is that I don't start threads on a football message boards and the VAST majority of threads on here are started by people of right wing views. I would suggest that you don't take issue with them, even though they bring the threads into existence and some of them post lots more than I do, simply because you are in agreement with their views and don't like opposition to them?

So it’s fair to say you are an activist then? Thought so.

I actually don’t take issue with the extreme right wing views because there’s no point. Too stupid, the lot of them. You have no idea what I agree with and what I don’t. All you know is that I’ve never voted Tory.

Unfortunately your party can’t add up or have the entrepreneurial skills to feed the masses. Unfortunately all politicians are too scared to take on the establishment and deal with the rich landowners and aristocracy in this country.


I’ve read a few of your posts. I think you’re part of an ‘army’ who have forgotten what democracy is.

Whether you are right or wrong with your views, the damage MP’s and the ‘remain’ movement are doing to this country is unprecedented.

Channel your energy into respecting a democratic vote and you might get some respect.

Start a rejoin movement if you like but honour the vote FFS.

Dress it up how you want but at the end of the day we had a vote.

Do we dare to believe, it’s the only vote ever, where politicians lied to us to get power or their way?

Give me a break.

[ragingpup]

So it’s fair to say you are an activist then? Thought so.

I actually don’t take issue with the extreme right wing views because there’s no point. Too stupid, the lot of them. You have no idea what I agree with and what I don’t. All you know is that I’ve never voted Tory.

Unfortunately your party can’t add up or have the entrepreneurial skills to feed the masses. Unfortunately all politicians are too scared to take on the establishment and deal with the rich landowners and aristocracy in this country.


I’ve read a few of your posts. I think you’re part of an ‘army’ who have forgotten what democracy is.

Whether you are right or wrong with your views, the damage MP’s and the ‘remain’ movement are doing to this country is unprecedented.

Channel your energy into respecting a democratic vote and you might get some respect.

Start a rejoin movement if you like but honour the vote FFS.

Dress it up how you want but at the end of the day we had a vote.

Do we dare to believe, it’s the only vote ever, where politicians lied to us to get power or their way?

Give me a break.

Sorry? Are you under the impression that I am arguing for Remain? Why are you saying this?

[Exiletyke]

Sorry? Are you under the impression that I am arguing for Remain? Why are you saying this?

Must say raging if you're not arguing for remain [which is your right] you certainly do a bad job of hiding it
As for howdy's comment "You have no idea what I agree with and what I don’t. All you know is that I’ve never voted Tory."
We all gather impressions of others by what they post thus what they do & don't agree with
All we know is that you have told us [raging] that you have never voted Tory but that's what you have told us so we don't really know

[ragingpup]

Must say raging if you're not arguing for remain [which is your right] you certainly do a bad job of hiding it
As for howdy's comment "You have no idea what I agree with and what I don’t. All you know is that I’ve never voted Tory."
We all gather impressions of others by what they post thus what they do & don't agree with
All we know is that you have told us [raging] that you have never voted Tory but that's what you have told us so we don't really know

If you look back through the years of the Brexit thread you will not find me once arguing that we should remain. I have always felt we should respect the referendum that we should leave. The only argument is how we should leave. However, there have been many discussions of the merits of the EU vs Leaving with Deal v Leaving with No deal and in those arguments I have of course argued (as a person that voted Remain) that of course I think we are economically much better in the EU. But that's another argument entirely from whether we should actually Leave.

My dilemma now is what to do as we see No Dealers attempt to hijack the referendum for their own ends. We should leave, but we should leave with a deal, however long it takes and by whatever means it takes to get one. Unfortunately many No deal advocates are like kids waiting for Xmas - "want it ALL and NOW!"

If we proceed towards No Deal then I can't stand and watch. The majority of the country did not vote for No deal. It is an undemocratic outcome. Maybe that's where Howdy is confused?

But to be clear, I think we should keep working towards a Deal that gets through parliament, however long that takes.