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[swaledale]

If ever you needed evidence of the EU bullying other countries who aren't even "locked " into their club, this is it.

https://news.sky.com/story/no-deal-d...e-row-11749488

All the bull about we are aren't even in Schengen/the euro/we have a veto etc. Keep deluding yourself.

If you are in Europe and deal with the EU you will obey and by hook or crook. Be slowly sucked in.
Empire it is.

Absolute *******s not supported by any actual facts as usual! Still you believe what you want to, thats the brexiteers way, disregard what the actual reality is, because after all it doesn't fit with your warped view of the world..up the empire obvs

[Manofpride]

Just hoping now for Boris to get in and finish the job on the 31st October, all the propaganda and delaying tactics from the remainers now needs to stop and let the UK do what the majority of it's people voted for and that's to leave with a good deal or without a deal.
I'm not a Boris fan but I think he'll have us out on the 31st!

[ramAnag]

Just hoping now for Boris to get in and finish the job on the 31st October, all the propaganda and delaying tactics from the remainers now needs to stop and let the UK do what the majority of it's people voted for and that's to leave with a good deal or without a deal.
I'm not a Boris fan but I think he'll have us out on the 31st!

Doesn’t matter how often you say it MoP...a majority of the UK’s people didn’t even vote ‘Leave’ let alone for a ‘no deal’ Brexit.

What makes you think bombastic Boris can get something so far unacceptable to Parliament through that very same Parliament and please don’t tell me that that walking anachronism Rees-Mogg is going to be any help at the negotiating table.

[Trickytreesreds]

Absolute *******s not supported by any actual facts as usual! Still you believe what you want to, thats the brexiteers way, disregard what the actual reality is, because after all it doesn't fit with your warped view of the world..up the empire obvs

Ay up. Swales been released from his angry box.
Still waiting for your words of wisdom Swale, as to whom we should all be hailing as the messiah.

C'mon, enthrall me.

[Manofpride]

Doesn’t matter how often you say it MoP...a majority of the UK’s people didn’t even vote ‘Leave’ let alone for a ‘no deal’ Brexit.

What makes you think bombastic Boris can get something so far unacceptable to Parliament through that very same Parliament and please don’t tell me that that walking anachronism Rees-Mogg is going to be any help at the negotiating table.

The people that matter RA are the ones that voted, everyone had a chance but some preferred to sit on their fat arses. The majority of UK's people that voted, voted to leave, if it had been the other way round the remainers and leavers would have accepted it. Boris now has to go back to the negotiating table with or without Jacob and try and get a better deal, if all fails leave without one. Then we can all start to work together and concentrate on getting the country back on it's feet!

[ramAnag]

We run the risk of going round in circles again, MoP, but it seems unfair to me to dismiss all those who couldn’t/didn’t vote as sitting on their ‘fat arses’. Doubtless some couldn’t be bothered but there may have been many other genuine reasons.

Either way you’re wrong on two counts...as I said - and I know you and NF don’t want to hear it - the majority of the UK’s people did not vote to leave. To say otherwise is just untrue.
No one ever voted for a ‘no deal’ Brexit...it was all going to be so ‘easy’...so what Johnson - if he gets ‘elected’ - is now considering he has absolutely no mandate for.

[MadAmster]

Isn't all the posturing round the result a bit lame?

Here are a few facts.

1. yes, the legal status was "only" advisory.
2. Cameron said whichever "side" of the argument got the most votes, THAT is what he would make sure got done.
3. Leave polled 4% more votes then Remain.
4. Leave polled roughly 1.5 Million more votes than Remain.
5. Cameron, a remainer, felt he couldn't negotiate properly on something he didn't agree with so he fell on his sword.
6. In the subsequent leader/PM election, another Remainer won, Mrs May.
7. To strengthen her hand she called a snap general Election, both Tory and Labour fought it on a Leave platform.
8. May's bluff backfired and she had to join an alliance with the DUP and she failed to get her deal through Parliament.
9. She has now resigned and another leadership election is ongoing.

My comment:
As I've said before, IMO her aim was to either sort a deal that would lead to no Brexit OR to BRINO (her "deal") in which we would only be out of the decision making process but in everything else including monthly payments on top of the £39Bn dicorce bill.

I don't rate Hunt one iota but, in this 2 horse race he is way the better choice. The other candidate is a nasty piece of work, IMO, who will do a lot for the 1% and the multinationals and very little for the 99%.

[Andy_Faber]

No one ever voted for a ‘no deal’ Brexit..

Sorry to disappoint you RA, but the majority of those who voted leave DID vote for a no deal Brexit by virtue of voting to leave the EU and then letting the lol politicians wrap up the paperwork. This subject was discussed at length on Radio 4 (NOT part of the news/current affairs offering, so more objective IMO by a massive amount) and the independant body who did the analysis (sorry don't recall who it was so you'll have to trust me like you trust Swale) followed this line of reasoning pretty scientifically and convincingly, and it was precisely the lack of objective detail available of what 'Brexit' meant that determined Leave (and for that matter Remain) voters' decision. The same body also warned against EITHER side of the debate calling for a second referendum, their adjusted outcome prediction being pretty much the same as the original ref but with a margin of error that could swing the decision either way. In essence, and no sleight intended, the apparent clamour for a referendum was driven by (my words) 'a smaller number of people shouting more loudly and more eloquently'

[AngryRam]

Doesn’t matter how often you say it MoP...a majority of the UK’s people didn’t even vote ‘Leave’ let alone for a ‘no deal’ Brexit.

Christ on a bike.. Change the record.

[ramAnag]

Sorry to disappoint you RA, but the majority of those who voted leave DID vote for a no deal Brexit by virtue of voting to leave the EU and then letting the lol politicians wrap up the paperwork. This subject was discussed at length on Radio 4 (NOT part of the news/current affairs offering, so more objective IMO by a massive amount) and the independant body who did the analysis (sorry don't recall who it was so you'll have to trust me like you trust Swale) followed this line of reasoning pretty scientifically and convincingly, and it was precisely the lack of objective detail available of what 'Brexit' meant that determined Leave (and for that matter Remain) voters' decision. The same body also warned against EITHER side of the debate calling for a second referendum, their adjusted outcome prediction being pretty much the same as the original ref but with a margin of error that could swing the decision either way. In essence, and no sleight intended, the apparent clamour for a referendum was driven by (my words) 'a smaller number of people shouting more loudly and more eloquently'

Really not a question of ‘trust’, Andy.
I tend to agree with Swale’s comments about Brexit more than anyone else’s. I feel he is well informed and although I don’t always agree with the way he says things, unless he’s having a go at me that’s his business not mine.
I also take notice of what you write but, imo, you are much more undecided. You usually see both sides of the argument but ultimately seem very reluctant to make your mind up and in this case...I think you have to.

I take no sleight from you and intend none, but I do think you’re wrong about the thoughts of ‘the majority who voted Leave’.
Not sure what percentage of the electorate actually listen to Radio 4 but, at the time of the Referendum, we were repeatedly told via various media sources and by Fox and Johnson in particular, that working things out would be amongst the ‘easiest deals ever’.
It was costed by those responsible for the ‘Leave’ campaign and of course we will all remember the ‘Boris bus’ pledge regarding how much of our new found wealth we’d be able to spend on the NHS.

As it happens all three of those attractive ‘facts’ put out by the ‘Leave’ campaign have proved to be false. I’m sure some of those who voted ‘Leave’ couldn’t care less and just want ‘out’ under any circumstances, equally I suspect those with more sense will be more cautious and recognise that a ‘no deal Brexit’ was never what was offered and is likely to be enormously damaging to our country and its reputation.