O/T BBC Champagne Socialist Pay RISES !!!!!

[KerrAvon]

How did things work before we had lawyers? Go on give us a bit of history Kerr. How did the first legal reps come about? Not trying to trap you just interested. Are we talking 18th/ 19th century?

Plus what would you say to those who said they were going to fight their own cases? Could they? Do people successfully fight their own court cases?

I have no idea what life was like without lawyers. I'm not that old. My guess is that the concept of justice wasn't as developed as it is today.

I've seen a number of people make a complete horlicks out of representing themselves. It's painful to watch at times. I've also seen people succeed in simple cases.

[KerrAvon]

And that's excactly what is wrong with Sky etc. The wages paid to footballers (and the cost to the average fan) has rocketed thanks to Sky and now BT etc.

When it was only on BBC, banned from being on a Saturday, the advertising revenue wasn't there. Sky not only rip your wallet out through your backside but then put in loads of adverts on top, yet that's ok and everyone just sucks it up.

BBC though, ad free and great stuuff like Killing Eve, Luthor and the like,meh.

But people choose to have their wallets ripped out through their backside.

[rolymiller]

I have no idea what life was like without lawyers. I'm not that old. My guess is that the concept of justice wasn't as developed as it is today.

I've seen a number of people make a complete horlicks out of representing themselves. It's painful to watch at times. I've also seen people succeed in simple cases.

I'm surprised you didn't have some sort of interest in the legal trade before you decided to be part of it! And yes I know you are not 4 or 500 years old you sarky one!

[rolymiller]

But people choose to have their wallets ripped out through their backside.

Aha! Slipped up there Mr Kerr. Could the power of Mr Murdoch have anything to do with people parting with their hard earned cash do you reckon or was it just a passive thing? Why were people conned? Don't come out with "it was just their choice" argument by the way. People are influenced to make choices. When you go and buy a new TV you dont just think I'll have that one it looks ok.

Surely none of us are passive consumers. We are sold the dream. Its how capitalism works.

[KerrAvon]

Aha! Slipped up there Mr Kerr. Could the power of Mr Murdoch have anything to do with people parting with their hard earned cash do you reckon or was it just a passive thing? Why were people conned? Don't come out with "it was just their choice" argument by the way. People are influenced to make choices. When you go and buy a new TV you dont just think I'll have that one it looks ok.

Surely none of us are passive consumers. We are sold the dream. Its how capitalism works.

Why can't I come out with the "it was just their choice" argument, when it clearly is.

Rupert Murdoch may not be your cup of tea (he isn't mine either), but he doesn't make people sign up to the services provided by his companies and nor am I aware of anything to suggest that people have been conned, as you suggest.

If people want to buy into the dream of being able to watch of Burnley v Southampton on a Monday evening then it's their choice - nobody elses.

Of course people are influenced to make choices, but they don't have to do it.

[great_fire]

I'm sure that some people would agree with you. Others won't. That's the thing with being a member of society - accepting the diversity of views and opinions.

For my part, it is beyond me why Lineker is paid the sum that he is. In my opinion, he's perfectly competent and can be informative and funny, but I wouldn't miss him if he were not on. Others may disagree.

Lineker works for Walkers and BT Sport as well, would hardly be unemployed and potless if the BBC let him go.

I suspect he's favoured by the BBC hierarchy because of his Twitter remoaning and social justice campaigning.

[rolymiller]

Why can't I come out with the "it was just their choice" argument, when it clearly is.

Rupert Murdoch may not be your cup of tea (he isn't mine either), but he doesn't make people sign up to the services provided by his companies and nor am I aware of anything to suggest that people have been conned, as you suggest.

If people want to buy into the dream of being able to watch of Burnley v Southampton on a Monday evening then it's their choice - nobody elses.

Of course people are influenced to make choices, but they don't have to do it.

You underestimate the power of persuasion Mr Kerr. Surely in your working life you need to be persuasive.What makes Burnley v Southampton persuasive?

[great_fire]

No-one is going to stop watching Match of the Day if Gary Lineker isn't on it, except maybe Gary Lineker's relatives.

[Redshank]

Lineker works for Walkers and BT Sport as well, would hardly be unemployed and potless if the BBC let him go.

I suspect he's favoured by the BBC hierarchy because of his Twitter remoaning and social justice campaigning.

I can sense more Marxist/fantasist conspiracy theory just itching to get out

[Exiletyke]

I have no idea what life was like without lawyers. I'm not that old. My guess is that the concept of justice wasn't as developed as it is today.

I've seen a number of people make a complete horlicks out of representing themselves. It's painful to watch at times. I've also seen people succeed in simple cases.

Have you ever seen a lawyer make a complete horlicks of representing someone & being paid for it?