O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[KerrAvon]

So are you opposed to NATO too, Biggie?

Your three points also apply to that organisation.

[BigLadonOS]

The EU didn't force two referendums. The Irish Constitution required a referendum for the Treaty to be ratified. The Irish people narrowly said no, the EU made some concessions and the Irish people then said yes by a handsome margin.

What happened was an exercise in democracy and of the Irish people exercising their national sovereignty.

The right of any national government to veto an EU army can only be removed by a treaty change, which would mean going back to the member states and a further referendum in Ireland. Given one of the things the Irish didn't like about Lisbon was a perceived risk to their historical neutrality, it's hard to see them agreeing, let alone the UK.

You believe that if you want to mate but I know the truth and ignore the myth of fair play by these ****ers.

[BigLadonOS]

So are you opposed to NATO too, Biggie?

Your three points also apply to that organisation.

Do they **** apply to NATO and NO I love NATO.

[KerrAvon]

PS: I can't but think about what Germany did only 74 - 80 years ago ! Newsreels show a lot of Nazi supporters and a regime that stole all the good and wealth of Europe whilst ethnically cleansing millions. Well that POWER was never aradicated fully. Those in power then are trying to conquer Europe without a shot being fired....and again it's Great Britain that's fighting back. Sadly some brits don"t see that danger. Call it dramatic but those newsreels were only decades past and the perpetrators still harbour their ambition - I'd call it naive to think any less. We need NOT to become a poor suburb of a German lead non elected EU.

Funnily enough, when Churchill proposed a European Union he did it for the very reason that he wanted to end the wars that had raged across the continent every thirty years or so throughout history.

Whatever the faults of the EU, Churchill's wish seems to have come to pass.

[KerrAvon]

Do they **** apply to NATO and NO I love NATO.

Why don't your three points apply to NATO?

[KerrAvon]

Dangerous in the way it gets things done, if countries vote against something the EU want to happen it will make new rules and regulations to force whatever they want to happen and it will happen. The EU have a history of doing this.

Do you have an example?

[BigLadonOS]

Why don't your three points apply to NATO?

PMSL. If you dont know, there is no way in hell of explaining it to you.

[KerrAvon]

You could try. Enlighten me.

[BigLadonOS]

Do you have an example?

There are a few out there for you to look at so I wont be spoon feeding you like you always want me to but I will start you off with how the German courts can pick and choose what EU laws they will follow and ones they will not follow and they are getting away with it while the rest of us would be heavily find for daring to do such a thing. DYOR

[BigLadonOS]

You could try. Enlighten me.

DYOR for a change