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[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Beautiful Boris moment in tonight's Andrew Neil interview. Classic:
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{asked about the detail of the GAT clauses)

BJ: Paragraph 5B. Article 24. Get the detail right. Get the detailright,Andrew.It’sArticle 24 paragraph 5B.

AN: And how would you handle paragraph 5C?

BJ: I would confide entirely in paragraph 5B, because that is

AN: How would you get round what’s in 5C?

BJ: I would confide entirely in paragraph 5B which is enough forour purposes.

AN: Do you know what’s in 5C?

BJ: No.

AN: I thought you were a man of detail.

BJ: Well,you didn’t even know whether it was an article or a paragraph, but–

AN: But that’s not the details you told those Tory hustings ...

BJ: There’s enough in paragraph 5B to get us the agreement that we want.

AN: No.5C says you don’t just need the EU’s approval; you need to agree with the EU the shape of a future trade agreement ...
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And he's our national leader, and taking us into renewed brexit negotiations?

Jeez

Is there a sanity clause?

[animallittle3]

Animal, not only is Corbyn working under the constraint that 80% of party members support a referendum and most remain from there, but if we were to replace Corbyn, who do you think would get elected to leader under a wto ticket? Who would elect him /her?

When you say constraint that doesn't really tell the whole story does it ? .

I'd suggest constraint would be best measured within the Labour held constituencies who voted overwhelmingly to leave the EU and not 400k members with all due respect .

The membership won't decide the next election but the electorate will .

If the party are seriously pinning their electoral hopes on gaining the remain vote at the expense of the brexit Labour heartlands then they are more deluded than I thought .

They've already had a warning with the recent European Parliament elections on the likely scenario on their present position .

What the party needs to do is concentrate on the country's future outside of the EU and operating on WTO terms instead of fighting battles that were lost in 2016 .

Johnson and his cronies will be already on it , about five moves ahead I'd imagine .

The Labour Membership have lost the EU referendum battle and I'd concentrate on winning the life outside of the EU war if they are smart .

The party's present position will see it wiped out in it's heartlands .

There isn't anyone I know personally voting for Labour at this point in time .

Find me a Labour Leadership candidate that actually respects the referendum and I welcome them to step forward and tell me what their vision is .

Anyone within the party possess those kind of minerals these days ?

Or are we going to leave it to Johnson and the ERG to pave the way forward outside of the EU .

[BigLadonOS]

When you say constraint that doesn't really tell the whole story does it ? .

I'd suggest constraint would be best measured within the Labour held constituencies who voted overwhelmingly to leave the EU and not 400k members with all due respect .

The membership won't decide the next election but the electorate will .

If the party are seriously pinning their electoral hopes on gaining the remain vote at the expense of the brexit Labour heartlands then they are more deluded than I thought .

They've already had a warning with the recent European Parliament elections on the likely scenario on their present position .

What the party needs to do is concentrate on the country's future outside of the EU and operating on WTO terms instead of fighting battles that were lost in 2016 .

Johnson and his cronies will be already on it , about five moves ahead I'd imagine .

The Labour Membership have lost the EU referendum battle and I'd concentrate on winning the life outside of the EU war if they are smart .

The party's present position will see it wiped out in it's heartlands .

There isn't anyone I know personally voting for Labour at this point in time .

Find me a Labour Leadership candidate that actually respects the referendum and I welcome them to step forward and tell me what their vision is .

Anyone within the party possess those kind of minerals these days ?

Or are we going to leave it to Johnson and the ERG to pave the way forward outside of the EU .

Unless the Tories do take us out I think it will be Farage who will be paving the way.

[Exiletyke]

Is there a sanity clause?

Ah Chico

[animallittle3]

Unless the Tories do take us out I think it will be Farage who will be paving the way.

Johnson will take us out alright , no question of that in my mind .

The question up for debate will be whether the system allows him to .

Farage alone can't take us out he needs 300 plus MP's to do that from a present position of not having any at all .

If Johnson plays the no deal and leave card and parliament prevents it then you are in the people v parliament territory and Johnson is Oliver Cromwell .

Anyone underestimating Johnson needs to have a word with themselves , this bloke has the capability of taking Corbyn to the cleaners in the present climate .

[BigLadonOS]

Johnson will take us out alright , no question of that in my mind .

The question up for debate will be whether the system allows him to .

Farage alone can't take us out he needs 300 plus MP's to do that from a present position of not having any at all .

If Johnson plays the no deal and leave card and parliament prevents it then you are in the people v parliament territory and Johnson is Oliver Cromwell .

Anyone underestimating Johnson needs to have a word with themselves , this bloke has the capability of taking Corbyn to the cleaners in the present climate .

Do you think he will really go ahead with proroguing parliament if it comes to it?

[animallittle3]

Do you think he will really go ahead with proroguing parliament if it comes to it?

I personally think Johnson will do what ever it takes to leave the EU .

What's more relevant is what the system says he can do .

He's a PM not a dictator , he's walking In to government with the majority of MP's who want to remain in the EU and without a majority government .

The only deal is no deal which seemingly scares the shyte out of the majority in parliament .

Ain't no different to a recession as far as I can see .

My personal opinion is this , if you believe in something then you take the initial pain that comes with it for the greater good

Then again I'm old skool , did 12 months without a penny coming in in 84/85 and a baby on the way along with thousands more .

Tick the box , stand up , simple as .

[KerrAvon]

Johnson will take us out alright , no question of that in my mind .

The question up for debate will be whether the system allows him to .

Farage alone can't take us out he needs 300 plus MP's to do that from a present position of not having any at all .

If Johnson plays the no deal and leave card and parliament prevents it then you are in the people v parliament territory and Johnson is Oliver Cromwell .

Anyone underestimating Johnson needs to have a word with themselves , this bloke has the capability of taking Corbyn to the cleaners in the present climate .

Erm, Oliver Cromwell was a Parliamentarian...

[BigLadonOS]

I personally think Johnson will do what ever it takes to leave the EU .

What's more relevant is what the system says he can do .

He's a PM not a dictator , he's walking In to government with the majority of MP's who want to remain in the EU and without a majority government .

The only deal is no deal which seemingly scares the shyte out of the majority in parliament .

Ain't no different to a recession as far as I can see .

My personal opinion is this , if you believe in something then you take the initial pain that comes with it for the greater good

Then again I'm old skool , did 12 months without a penny coming in in 84/85 and a baby on the way along with thousands more .

Tick the box , stand up , simple as .

I hope your right Animal I cant wait to get out of the EU.

[Exiletyke]

Erm, Oliver Cromwell was a Parliamentarian...

Not when they went in a direction he was not happy with. He constantly found he could not leave them "unattended"
Military dictator according to Churchill