OT Another world cup

[Geoff Parkstone]

Interestingly if a 5 had been awarded, leaving 4 off 2, we would perhaps have won in the 50th not on count back. Logic being Stokes played safe for 2 singles with runouts knowing that he would at least get to a superover and maybe one of the runouts might be bungled, but he could live with 2 singles and associated runouts.

A 5 would have led him to maybe go for a boundary and a natural win (or loss) of each of the last two balls.

[Manofpride]

“Captained by an immigrant, batting led by an immigrant, fastest bowler an immigrant, leading all-rounder an immigrant, main spinner son of an immigrant.”

And your point being??? Don't try and tar me with the racist brush just because I want out! I don't mind immigrants but bringing them in on a massive scale is just not the way to do it. You can't keep taking out the pot without putting something back in. That's why we have to control our borders and vet the people who are coming in and see if it's possible for them to make a contribution!
Anyway England won the world cup and I'm going to enjoy their achievements. No need to tell me who the immigrants are just to justify you're a remainer who's never wrong on any topic and trying and score more points. Have a day off and enjoy the occasion!

[ramAnag]

And your point being??? Don't try and tar me with the racist brush just because I want out! I don't mind immigrants but bringing them in on a massive scale is just not the way to do it. You can't keep taking out the pot without putting something back in. That's why we have to control our borders and vet the people who are coming in and see if it's possible for them to make a contribution!
Anyway England won the world cup and I'm going to enjoy their achievements. No need to tell me who the immigrants are just to justify you're a remainer who's never wrong on any topic and trying and score more points. Have a day off and enjoy the occasion!

Not sure anyone’s tried to ‘tar you with the rascist brush’, MoP and it’s not my argument anyway.

The point though surely is...it is ‘immigrants’ who are frequently ‘tarred with the same brush’...not by you, but by the likes of the rather more significant Mr. Trump who went down precisely that path again yesterday.

The U.S. is probably the most ‘culturally diverse’ and multicultural nation on the planet...its success, like that of the England cricket team, is to be celebrated but sadly there are all too many, Trump and Farage to name but two, who choose to be peculiarly ‘selective’ when it comes to the ‘acceptability’ or otherwise of various migrant origins and appearances.

[Andy_Faber]

Not sure anyone’s tried to ‘tar you with the rascist brush’, MoP and it’s not my argument anyway.

The point though surely is...it is ‘immigrants’ who are frequently ‘tarred with the same brush’...not by you, but by the likes of the rather more significant Mr. Trump who went down precisely that path again yesterday.

The U.S. is probably the most ‘culturally diverse’ and multicultural nation on the planet...its success, like that of the England cricket team, is to be celebrated but sadly there are all too many, Trump and Farage to name but two, who choose to be peculiarly ‘selective’ when it comes to the ‘acceptability’ or otherwise of various migrant origins and appearances.

I think this issue has flared up again precisely because Swale HAS been selective. Likewise Khan as I pointed out. I doubt Khan would have even agreed to be interviewed if the team had been made up of the same immigrant proportion but all white.

[swaledale]

And your point being??? Don't try and tar me with the racist brush just because I want out! I don't mind immigrants but bringing them in on a massive scale is just not the way to do it. You can't keep taking out the pot without putting something back in. That's why we have to control our borders and vet the people who are coming in and see if it's possible for them to make a contribution!
Anyway England won the world cup and I'm going to enjoy their achievements. No need to tell me who the immigrants are just to justify you're a remainer who's never wrong on any topic and trying and score more points. Have a day off and enjoy the occasion!

Possible to make a contribution? You have obviously missed the fact that immigrants from the EU contribute more than they take by a very long margin and that leaving the EU is not going to reduce immigration! Who do you think is keeping this country afloat at the moment? Who is doing all the essential ****ty jobs no English person wants to do?

I wasn't inferring your racist, merely a little Englander who chooses to spout crap about England for the English, when actually nationality is far more complex than that, most "English" people are in fact a polyglot of different races that have invaded, or immigrated to the Uk over hundreds of years.

[ramAnag]

I think this issue has flared up again precisely because Swale HAS been selective. Likewise Khan as I pointed out. I doubt Khan would have even agreed to be interviewed if the team had been made up of the same immigrant proportion but all white.

No idea what you base that on Andy. All the ‘immigrants’ are white, with the exception of Archer...they’re Irish, South African and a New Zealander.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Possible to make a contribution? You have obviously missed the fact that immigrants from the EU contribute more than they take by a very long margin and that leaving the EU is not going to reduce immigration! Who do you think is keeping this country afloat at the moment? Who is doing all the essential ****ty jobs no English person wants to do?

I wasn't inferring your racist, merely a little Englander who chooses to spout crap about England for the English, when actually nationality is far more complex than that, most "English" people are in fact a polyglot of different races that have invaded, or immigrated to the Uk over hundreds of years.

I don't dispute that we are a mongrel race with Normans, Angles, Saxons, Vikings, Romans (not Romanis thankfully), Jutes etc all contributing to our "essential Englishness", but that had been broadly unchanged since around 1100 and the hybrid we see today emerged from that mix and reigned supreme on the global stage for a considerable period of time.

Interestingly the next major wave of non invasive (but invitational) immigration did not begin until the 20th century and that is only beginning to impact our way of life - be it Caribbean, South Asian, East European etc - its too early to tell whether this will be a positive or a negative impact. Much depends on the degree that we do integrate rather than factionalise. I'd say the jury is still out on whether your "Brit of 2140" will be an upgrade on the "Brit of 1940", but unquestionably the arrival of the latest wave of voluntary / economic immigrant has coincided with a significant reduction in our influence and relevance on the global stage.

Being a mongrel nation is nothing unique to the UK - the Americans are probably bigger, and certainly more recently formed, mongrels and are maybe now dominating the world stage after a period of isolationism, before themselves quite possibly receding as a new mongrel nation will emerge such as China India or Brazil. No dominance lasts forever on any stage: who would have bet that in 1992, when the premier league was formed, that 27 years later Liverpool would have not won a single championship, given their dominance in the 27 preceding years.

[Andy_Faber]

No idea what you base that on Andy. All the ‘immigrants’ are white, with the exception of Archer...they’re Irish, South African and a New Zealander.

This where my suspicion of Khans agenda offsets/ matches yours of Trump and Farage

[Andy_Faber]

I don't dispute that we are a mongrel race with Normans, Angles, Saxons, Vikings, Romans (not Romanis thankfully), Jutes etc all contributing to our "essential Englishness", but that had been broadly unchanged since around 1100 and the hybrid we see today emerged from that mix and reigned supreme on the global stage for a considerable period of time.

Interestingly the next major wave of non invasive (but invitational) immigration did not begin until the 20th century and that is only beginning to impact our way of life - be it Caribbean, South Asian, East European etc - its too early to tell whether this will be a positive or a negative impact. Much depends on the degree that we do integrate rather than factionalise. I'd say the jury is still out on whether your "Brit of 2140" will be an upgrade on the "Brit of 1940", but unquestionably the arrival of the latest wave of voluntary / economic immigrant has coincided with a significant reduction in our influence and relevance on the global stage.

Being a mongrel nation is nothing unique to the UK - the Americans are probably bigger, and certainly more recently formed, mongrels and are maybe now dominating the world stage after a period of isolationism, before themselves quite possibly receding as a new mongrel nation will emerge such as China India or Brazil. No dominance lasts forever on any stage: who would have bet that in 1992, when the premier league was formed, that 27 years later Liverpool would have not won a single championship, given their dominance in the 27 preceding years.

Well put GP, thought provoking stuff

[ramAnag]

This where my suspicion of Khans agenda offsets/ matches yours of Trump and Farage

Except that I have grounds for my suspicions as regards Trump and Farage on the basis that they have both displayed racist intent.

I still don’t understand your previous comment about Khan’s reluctance to comment if the team’s ‘immigrants’ had been ‘all white’ when they largely are and I don’t know why you believe that Khan is racist...what has he done to suggest that?