O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[WanChaiMiller]

It's compete garbage, the City, the banks, the corporations, the hedge fund managers, they all want to stay in the EU.

Why do you think we haven't left?

Or just move you business out of like UK and continue campaigning for Brexit like Bamford, Dyson and Rees Mogg.

[caytonmiller]

Over 3000 posts. Hmmm I wonder how many posters have contradicted them selves. It's prob less than the posters who have repeated the same thing over n over n over.
Sigh. Would check but I have to pluck some hair's out of my nipple. O well Busy does as busy is

[animallittle3]

This piece sums up what is happening, the new international use of 'disaster capitalism' to gain more assets and wealth for the ultra rich:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...aire-oligarchs

In essence: use politicians and media to create the circumstances for economic shock, gain public consensus by pointing at suitable social scapegoats (always the weakest) and then respond to the economic shock by cutting taxes and buying assets and public utilities/services so that the 'new oligarchs' accumulate more wealth. Nice work if you can get it.

But don't worry - we'll just assist them getting further rich from Brexit and then we'll sort them out!

I believe Mogg's made money from the so called disaster capitalism scheme but I don't think the group as a whole purely exist for that purpose alone .

These people are far more sinister than that , they exist in laymen terms as a group of wealthy individuals who to want to do whatever they want and are answerable to nobody .

My own opinion is that with their wealth and privilege they feel they have that right and have the collective resources both financially and influencially to pull this off .

They hate the state and governments who they feel put barriers up at every turn and attempt to make them play by the rules .

Taxation isn't for them , although they have no problem using taxpayers money to fund the group .

Regulation isn't for them , they believe business should operate outside of state rules and regulations .

These people are extreme neoliberals .

They are in effect a party within a party , clearly you can't underestimate them given they have just taken over the party who are in government .

Johnson maybe PM but in my opinion the ERG are the ones he's working for and pull the strings , this particular group take orders off nobody .

The smart move from Labour would be to accept our departure from the EU is now inevitable , more than likely without a deal and go and win the battle by becoming victorious in two or three terms as government .

It's imperative that a new leader is elected for it to win a GE with a majority , sitting on the opposition benches playing class war politics won't cut it with the electorate .

What I've learned more than anything under Corbyn's tenure is that many of the middle classes don't give a shiny shyte about working class struggles , if you can't afford it then you don't deserve it is about the strength of it .

As much as it goes against the grain the middle class vote wins you a GE with a majority government .

In my opinion it could well come down to having to support a Blair type Labour Party or accept the ERG in power .

Post brexit the stakes are going to be high , probably higher than they've ever been .

Just my own personal observations Raging , as left leaning people we have to face reality and possibly go down the better of two evils route to keep the ERG out of power .

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

It's a simple enough.

Daily Mail - right wing rubbish
The Guardian - left wing rubbish

Preaching to the converted.

[animallittle3]

It's a simple enough.

Daily Mail - right wing rubbish
The Guardian - left wing rubbish

Preaching to the converted.

The Guardian is far from left leaning Grist , more Tony Blair than Corbyn by a country mile .

They do very good investigative journalism in to the inequalities in society I'll give you that but they are hardly The Morning Star .

[BigLadonOS]

Wouldnt it be a shock if after the next 2 years we are out of the EU and the country is doing well with job creation, better wages, more houses and a fantastic NHS and safer streets..... **** me that would be terrible wouldn't it.

[rolymiller]

Wouldnt it be a shock if after the next 2 years we are out of the EU and the country is doing well with job creation, better wages, more houses and a fantastic NHS and safer streets..... **** me that would be terrible wouldn't it.

...and the flip side with all bridges burned?

[BigLadonOS]

...and the flip side with all bridges burned?

I am not ruling that out either mate but I prefer to be optimistic over these things.

[MillerBill]

Good on Sarah Champion for respecting the people of Rotherham's wishes to leave the EU.It's a pity other local MPs ignore the result given and do not stand up for their constituents.Like another local MP Caroline Flint,she has said no deal must be kept on the table to put pressure on the EU.It is up to the EU to compromise now and not us,which we were doing under Olly Robins controlled Mrs.May.Irish companies are not happy with the EU puppet of a prime minister, by putting the EU's interest before the Irish people.They are beginning to realise that they have so much trade with us,it would be bad news for them if the EU do not remove this stubborn stand.

[MillerBill]

Project fear CBI at it again with the extremist bleak "predictions" and would you believe Vauxhall motors threatening us.A French owned company probably been briefed by Macron our friendly neighbour.As predictable as they come.