O/T Democracy

[ragingpup]

An election may sort it if their is a solid majority for a party but I don't see that happening. I agree we can't remain. The only sensible option.unless we want this to drag on for years, is to put it back to the people BUT with more options than the previous referendum so that it is more clear what people want.

I agree that I don't see a majority government of any colour emerging whilst Brexit still spreads its ugly manure. The problem is that the split in this parliament simply reflects the split in the country, completely down the middle. The next parliament will still represent the people in the country and therefore will be equally split as this one. If Cox moans that this parliament is "dead", his new parliament will be stillborn, because nothing will have fundamentally changed with the split in the people. I don't think an election would change anything on Brexit. Same arguments with some different faces.

A referendum is fine but the result of this referendum would still have to go back through parliament for sign off wouldn't it? Where's Kerr when you need him? Kerr! KERR!!

[rolymiller]

A referendum is fine but the result of this referendum would still have to go back through parliament for sign off wouldn't it? Where's Kerr when you need him? Kerr! KERR!!

He has his uses. Come back Mr Kerr, all is forgiven...

[Exiletyke]

He has his uses.

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[Exiletyke]

I agree that I don't see a majority government of any colour emerging whilst Brexit still spreads its ugly manure. The problem is that the split in this parliament simply reflects the split in the country, completely down the middle. The next parliament will still represent the people in the country and therefore will be equally split as this one. If Cox moans that this parliament is "dead", his new parliament will be stillborn, because nothing will have fundamentally changed with the split in the people. I don't think an election would change anything on Brexit. Same arguments with some different faces.

A referendum is fine but the result of this referendum would still have to go back through parliament for sign off wouldn't it? Where's Kerr when you need him? Kerr! KERR!!

He's closer than you think
Try shouting John

[KerrAvon]

I agree that I don't see a majority government of any colour emerging whilst Brexit still spreads its ugly manure. The problem is that the split in this parliament simply reflects the split in the country, completely down the middle. The next parliament will still represent the people in the country and therefore will be equally split as this one. If Cox moans that this parliament is "dead", his new parliament will be stillborn, because nothing will have fundamentally changed with the split in the people. I don't think an election would change anything on Brexit. Same arguments with some different faces.

A referendum is fine but the result of this referendum would still have to go back through parliament for sign off wouldn't it? Where's Kerr when you need him? Kerr! KERR!!

Raging, dear heart.

1. Parliament would have to agree to hold a further referendum;
2. Parliament would have to agree upon the terms of a further referendum; and
3. Parliament would have to agree to put the result of the referendum into effect.

So that's ok

I don't agree that a GE would not alter the landscape. It depends upon whether there is an agreement between parties to collaborate. The Greens, Lib Dems and Change (or whatever they are currently called) are likely to agree not to field candidates against each other. If the Tories agreed to leave northern Labour seats to the Brexit Party, I reckon your lot will be toast.

[ragingpup]

Raging, dear heart.

1. Parliament would have to agree to hold a further referendum;
2. Parliament would have to agree upon the terms of a further referendum; and
3. Parliament would have to agree to put the result of the referendum into effect.

So that's ok

I don't agree that a GE would not alter the landscape. It depends upon whether there is an agreement between parties to collaborate. The Greens, Lib Dems and Change (or whatever they are currently called) are likely to agree not to field candidates against each other. If the Tories agreed to leave northern Labour seats to the Brexit Party, I reckon your lot will be toast.

So parliament can agree to legislate so that the outcome of any further referendum would be more than advisory? Parliament would not be able to block it if they didn't like the outcome?

(Brexit Party already have most of the northern labour seats I think unless Boris somehow convinces them that he can satisfy their 'needs'. Depends on how much their vote is split and to what extent this can be countered by the coalition on the other side. But any which way, I can't see anything other than a minority government in any colour and the same problem lingering on)

[KerrAvon]

So parliament can agree to legislate so that the outcome of any further referendum would be more than advisory? Parliament would not be able to block it if they didn't like the outcome?

(Brexit Party already have most of the northern labour seats I think unless Boris somehow convinces them that he can satisfy their 'needs'. Depends on how much their vote is split and to what extent this can be countered by the coalition on the other side. But any which way, I can't see anything other than a minority government in any colour and the same problem lingering on)

Sorry, I posted in a hurry and was not clear.

After the referendum, Parliament would have to agree to implement the outcome.

It is impossible in law for a referendum to be anything more than advisory. That's because of the doctrine of the legislative supremacy of Parliament; one Parliament cannot bind another, not least because Parliament can repeal any law that it chooses to. In other words, if Parliament did vote to make the outcome of a referendum binding it could then simply repeal the law rather than abide by it.