Tammy Abraham: England prepared to walk off over racist abuse

[KerrAvon]

I don,t comprehend the comments made on this thread about placing abusive comments into context. This appears to be suggesting that some victims of abuse are more worthy of protection than others which isn,t right as all forms of abuse shouldn,t really be tolerated.
It,s nearly the year 2020 in a world that,s moved on and to place more emphasis on some groups than others is creating further divisions and discrimination that most of us would like to eradicate

I agree that abuse shouldn't be tolerated (but I don't think it can ever be eradicated given the nature of the human beast). I do think that some abuse is likely to have more impact, because of context, however.

For example, I am white, but have been on the end of racial abuse within my work, when I have upset people of different ethnicities. They were cross with me and it was like water off a duck's back, but I recognise that nobody should be required to turn the other cheek and that I might feel differently if I had been born with a different skin colour and had to put up with regular prejudice and abuse.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Hmm...that last post said just about the same as the earlier one from John2

Grammar, syntax, phrasing are bang on.

[WanChaiMiller]

I don't think they are denying the incidents, their point is that the FA are fixated with the racism topic, and are exaggerating the incidents out of all proportion.

Quote "Mihaylov, who did not mention any of these racism punishments in an angry letter, wrote: "The Bulgarian public has in no way committed any recent infringements that deserve it to be stereotyped as 'racist' or 'hostile'.

"I am sure you will agree that these accusations are not only unjust but are continuous attempts to disrupt the atmosphere before a very much anticipated game of football.

"We are aware of the recent problems with racist behaviour in all tiers of English club football and with England's ongoing battle with hooliganism.

"Although we sincerely applaud the FA's initiative for the English fans to report trouble within the visiting crowd, we are extremely shocked at all efforts to involve and even mark out the Bulgarian spectators as potential troublemakers."

[flourbasher]

Context is all important.

The roles are being reversed in South Africa. White South Africans are on the receiving end of racist abuse that is causing them real distress. The threat is pushing very many to leave the country. If youd racially abused a white South Africans during the Apartheid years it would have had little effect. The context has changed that makes the abuse a very real threat.

But that,s my point in that no abuse should be tolerated in this day and age regardless of whether someone is more worthy or not. The world needs to move on to a better place and white SA,s shouldn,t be persecuted for their history. Are you suggesting the white,s deserve it or perhaps it,s legitimate for the black,s to persecute them because of what,s been done in the past ? Neither of those scenario,s are right in my view. Two wrongs don t make a right

By the way, i went to SA in 2000 and the white middle classes still had the upper hand. It may have changed in the last 19 yrs though

I still don,t get the context argument because it,s devisive in a modern society

[John2]

I don,t comprehend the comments made on this thread

Your lacking in comprehension is startlingly obvious.

Nobody appears to have suggested that some victims of abuse are more worthy of protection. In fact, I've argued that all racist abuse should be treated exactly the same.

The point about context requires a certain level of intelligence to comprehend - basically that different people experience things in different ways based on their own circumstances and history. Recognising this fact is not the same thing as saying there are some people who deserve to be abused more than others, since nobody should be, its just recognising that for some people certain types of abuse are likely to be more hurtful than for others.

Does this help you a little?

[John2]

Hmm...that last post said just about the same as the earlier one from John2

Grammar, syntax, phrasing are bang on.

lol, you do flatter me.

You're so confused bless you, like when adults tell a young child something but they can't quite understand what's real and what's not. It tickles me how much it frustrates you and how wrong you are!

[WanChaiMiller]

But that,s my point in that no abuse should be tolerated in this day and age regardless of whether someone is more worthy or not. The world needs to move on to a better place and white SA,s shouldn,t be persecuted for their history. Are you suggesting the white,s deserve it or perhaps it,s legitimate for the black,s to persecute them because of what,s been done in the past ? Neither of those scenario,s are right in my view. Two wrongs don t make a right

By the way, i went to SA in 2000 and the white middle classes still had the upper hand. It may have changed in the last 19 yrs though

I still don,t get the context argument because it,s devisive in a modern society

I should have acknowledged I agree with you that no one should have to tolerate abuse.

I dont agree with you that it should be particularly so in this day and age. We are no further forward in resolving conflicts around the world that has its root cause in racial segregation (look at the conflict reigniting on the Pak Ind border). Those who face persecution due to their ethnicity will be particularly sensitive to abuse that is centred on their situation in life.

2000 was only 6 years into the new regime. Much has changed in SA in the last 19 years. Non more so than the old ANC leaders passing away. The Black and Coloured communities of South Africa should rise about the brutality of the old white regime.

However, to address your point, no I am not suggesting whites in SA deserve all they get. Where is it you think I implied it or suggested it? And why do you feel the need to make the comment?

[Scum-Triumphant]

My mistake. I thought the potential player walk off was planned for the Bulgaria game.
Where did most of the players disappear to during last nights game?

[crashbang]

My mistake. I thought the potential player walk off was planned for the Bulgaria game.
Where did most of the players disappear to during last nights game?

Excellent point.

[flourbasher]

Your lacking in comprehension is startlingly obvious.

Nobody appears to have suggested that some victims of abuse are more worthy of protection. In fact, I've argued that all racist abuse should be treated exactly the same.

The point about context requires a certain level of intelligence to comprehend - basically that different people experience things in different ways based on their own circumstances and history. Recognising this fact is not the same thing as saying there are some people who deserve to be abused more than others, since nobody should be, its just recognising that for some people certain types of abuse are likely to be more hurtful than for others.

Does this help you a little?

Thanks for your unbelievably condescending response which i half expected.
Perhaps it would be beneficial if you didnt question someone,s intelligence because they dont agree with you.
As i have said before my opinion is that no one should be treated differently or get more sympathy because of what may have happened in the past. Abuse is abuse.

Is it ok for you to recognise that this is a messageboard and people have different opinions. Opinions arent wrong, just different.