O/T - general election 2019

[Silly-miller]

Living wage to £10 - that’s nice but companies will just stick prices up to cover wages leaving us the same as we are now.

They said that when the LW was introduced. But it had a minimal effect:

https://www.economicshelp.org/labour.../minimum-wage/

But do you really think that this is an “extremist” policy? Is it the policy of having any LW minimum identified an extreme? Or is it just £10? Or £9 extremist? £8 extremist? Where is your crossingpoint for where the LW is reasonable and then suddenly becomes extremist??


30 hrs free childcare for 2- 4 year olds isn’t child care free anyway? I wouldn’t know so I’m not sure

What are you saying here? That this is an extremist policy? Are the conservative government who brought this in 2 years ago then “extremist”? (although they nicked the policy from Labour!)



Scrap tuition fees - what on school isn’t school free anyway or uni? If it’s uni how will they pay for all that money, under half of our gdp comes from uni fees

You think that free tutition for HE is an extremist policy? Are Norway, Finland, Germany, Sweden, France – who all offer free HE – all extremist too?



Renationalisation of water rail and mail honestly if you believe they can get the money to do that and be legally able to do that your as thick as Alan Stubbs hiring old blackstock

Again, if nationalising key industries is extremist. Do you agree that Germany, Sweden, Nederlands, Italy, Spain, France are all extremists? All these have over 80% national ownership of Rail networks: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...g-9960432.html
And this for other EU countries that nationalise key industries: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a7731961.html
Are they extremists also?


Negotiate with Eu for a new deal keeping us in customs and in Eu courts and part of Eu army and vote on that deal or remain?
You’ve put this in here so I assume that you think that negotiating a customs union/EU is an extremist policy? I understand that but you will find that Labour are equally under fire from Remainers for being too extreme on the Leave side. So yes, I guess Labour are extremists from both Leaver and Remainer point of view. But most of these accusers are extremists themselves so what the hell

I think your a couple french fries short of a happy meal with this post pup iv not called him a extremist at all that’s all propaganda (Lies that’s been twisted by a strand of truth) and I know that your probably quoting a previous quote and I ask you to re read it however I have called labour anti democratic lying sacks of crap who are no better than Tory’s and my opinion on that won’t change.

You say sticking prices up will have minimal effect? Don’t you remember when wage increased last time I do food prices shot up. If you want to increase money to the people you have to do it from two sides high wage and discounted fuel for lorry’s for example. You can’t tax the rich and expect the normal people not to feel a backlash you have to balance the scales, yes there are ways to do it look at the drug companies in us they want more money yes it will increase the price of drugs but if we had free trade with USA the taxes we would save would balance it out. Without balance in economy giving £10 in minimum wage will ether see prices going up or 1 in 4 people fired to make the wage limit.

Don’t believe me then name me a major business that didn’t make as much as the year before and kept the same amount of stores and staff? THERE ISNT ONE. It’s always the people who take a cut not the rich no matter what

As for his stance on brexit a referendum on a customs/ close ties with EU and remain is the same fking thing that’s why I’m so against it. It’s deal or no deal there’s no way I’m supporting a ny form of remain

[ragingpup]

I think your a couple french fries short of a happy meal with this post pup iv not called him a extremist at all that’s all propaganda (Lies that’s been twisted by a strand of truth) and I know that your probably quoting a previous quote and I ask you to re read it however I have called labour anti democratic lying sacks of crap who are no better than Tory’s and my opinion on that won’t change.

You say sticking prices up will have minimal effect? Don’t you remember when wage increased last time I do food prices shot up. If you want to increase money to the people you have to do it from two sides high wage and discounted fuel for lorry’s for example. You can’t tax the rich and expect the normal people not to feel a backlash you have to balance the scales, yes there are ways to do it look at the drug companies in us they want more money yes it will increase the price of drugs but if we had free trade with USA the taxes we would save would balance it out. Without balance in economy giving £10 in minimum wage will ether see prices going up or 1 in 4 people fired to make the wage limit.

Don’t believe me then name me a major business that didn’t make as much as the year before and kept the same amount of stores and staff? THERE ISNT ONE. It’s always the people who take a cut not the rich no matter what

As for his stance on brexit a referendum on a customs/ close ties with EU and remain is the same fking thing that’s why I’m so against it. It’s deal or no deal there’s no way I’m supporting a ny form of remain

I took it that your list of manifesto commitments was in reply to my asking for manifesto examples of extremist labour policies. So I assume that was your intent.

No I don't remember food prices shooting up at the last time the minimum wage was introduced, so I've researched it and found that the answer (according to reasonably impartial sources) appears to be minimal. And then of course, you have the boost of additional spending power for these people which is what may help balance negative impact out.

But anyhoo, the question was about whether such a policy was "extremist" - and of course interesting to know that in 4 years time, the conservatives are promising to become "extremist" on this issue too. And Boris wouldn't tell fibs on this would he?

Interesting that your talking about taxing the rich - who are you counting as rich? What amount are Labour pledging to tax the rich based on the last manifesto? I think it was a small amount, much less than many other countries including some of our closest EU neighbours. Are they "extremists" now as well? I understand the logistics of taxing too much = costs in other areas (had long dull debates on this) and it is something that of course has to be balanced. Incidentally, I would be affected and pay more under the Labour last election proposals. If reasonable, progressive and linked to public services, most people say that they are happy to pay a bit more tax. Are they all "extremists" too?