O/T - general election 2019

[animallittle3]

Animal - I agree with much of what you say.

However, Brexit for 2 of the main players, Johnson and Farage, is all about broadening globalisation.

I will question you on this too: "Outside of the EU gives you the opportunity to regulate robustly without getting your hands dirty so to speak ." This is at odds with what we were told that Brexit should free us of red tape; taking off the shackles will allow us to trade competitively on the world stage.

It is at odds WanChai because Johnson , Mogg and Farage don't actually believe in any form of regulation what so ever , a totally blank piece of paper that allows them to do anything they want in the pursuit of even greater profit and the people they represent .

My argument with the EU is that whatever regulations that exist falls way short of satisfying the working class and reform within it isn't possible due to the influences and lobbying .

If it showed an appetite for change then I could be persuaded and live within it's existence as a trading platform .

We both feel we can do better for totally opposite reasons .

You can't vote out the EU , the policies are set in concrete but you can as sure as hell send Johnson , Mogg and Farage packing at the polling station .

[ragingpup]

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A cheat is a cheat.

No imbalance at all.

Saying that, a benefit cheat who has never pumped a penny back into society, is really the lowest of the low.

If I’m paying for it, I’ll focus on that lowlife all day long if I want to.

It was shown recently that people have the perception that 25p in every £ of benefit money allocated by the treasury is lost to benefit cheats.

The actual amount is 1p in the £.

But of course you can focus your anger on these all you like. You could indulge yourself and exterminate them all in a heartbeat, but it would make very little difference to what money we have available for things that we need.

Anyone have idea why this perception is so hugely wrong and so widespread?

[animallittle3]

@ Wanchai

We became grandparents for the first time this week when my step daughter and her partner presented us with a baby boy .

The most wonderful gift you can ever receive .

However I worry and I have good reason to worry .

Her partner works his butt off at Amazon in Doncaster , he does everything he can to make ends meet , they don't go out , haven't a car , don't smoke and have never taken a holiday .

They live in privated rented over Kimberworth way , there's damp on the walls , repairs aren't forthcoming and they can barely afford the rent each month .

Just before the baby was born they received a letter telling them to vacate the property in 3 months time , a series of heated telephone exchanges had taken place about the damp on the walls with a new baby's arrival , the landlord has told them he's selling the property ........ hmmm .

Without our financial support they will go under and no family of mine or grandchild will ever have to end up like that while I walk this earth .

Now before anyone says anything our grandson wasn't planned , I'll spare the detail but it wasn't lack of common sense just one of those things .

They are desperate for some stability and security in their lives , a house they can turn in to a home and raise their child , a job that guarantees regular hours and provides a living wage , the company is successful and profitable to say the least .

The lad will do everything to stand on his own two feet , trust me he will , he doesn't want our financial support he wants to provide under his own efforts , the system says he can't .

This is 2019 not Victorian England .

Things need to change .

[WanChaiMiller]

Congratulations Animal.

[WanChaiMiller]

It is at odds WanChai because Johnson , Mogg and Farage don't actually believe in any form of regulation what so ever , a totally blank piece of paper that allows them to do anything they want in the pursuit of even greater profit and the people they represent .

My argument with the EU is that whatever regulations that exist falls way short of satisfying the working class and reform within it isn't possible due to the influences and lobbying .

If it showed an appetite for change then I could be persuaded and live within it's existence as a trading platform .

We both feel we can do better for totally opposite reasons .

You can't vote out the EU , the policies are set in concrete but you can as sure as hell send Johnson , Mogg and Farage packing at the polling station .

Im still not sure Labours position on Brexit. Last I heard was a second referendum on leave with deal or remain - is that right.

Does the election present you with a dilema? Vote with Johnson or Farage to ensure Brexit or Labour and take your chances.

[animallittle3]

Congratulations Animal.

Thank you , he's absolutely knocked me out mate , hard to put in to words what this little chap means to us .

Our planned holiday to New York next years bit the dust due to the events surrounding his birth but so what , couldn't give a shyte just as long as mum , dad and grandson are ok .

It's what we'd all do .

[animallittle3]

Im still not sure Labours position on Brexit. Last I heard was a second referendum on leave with deal or remain - is that right.

Does the election present you with a dilema? Vote with Johnson or Farage to ensure Brexit or Labour and take your chances.

No not at all , simply not voting .

I want out of the EU but I ain't helping the likes of the ERG or Farage get it done .

Neither am I voting for a party who put it in their 2017 manifesto that they would respect the referendum result and clearly aren't .

There's nobody to vote for so I'll have to sit this one out and where the chips fall they fall .

I voted for Farage in the European Elections as a protest and to give Corbyn a kick up the @ss but a GE is a very different thing altogether .

[ragingpup]

@ Wanchai

We became grandparents for the first time this week when my step daughter and her partner presented us with a baby boy .

The most wonderful gift you can ever receive .

However I worry and I have good reason to worry .

Her partner works his butt off at Amazon in Doncaster , he does everything he can to make ends meet , they don't go out , haven't a car , don't smoke and have never taken a holiday .

They live in privated rented over Kimberworth way , there's damp on the walls , repairs aren't forthcoming and they can barely afford the rent each month .

Just before the baby was born they received a letter telling them to vacate the property in 3 months time , a series of heated telephone exchanges had taken place about the damp on the walls with a new baby's arrival , the landlord has told them he's selling the property ........ hmmm .

Without our financial support they will go under and no family of mine or grandchild will ever have to end up like that while I walk this earth .

Now before anyone says anything our grandson wasn't planned , I'll spare the detail but it wasn't lack of common sense just one of those things .

They are desperate for some stability and security in their lives , a house they can turn in to a home and raise their child , a job that guarantees regular hours and provides a living wage , the company is successful and profitable to say the least .

The lad will do everything to stand on his own two feet , trust me he will , he doesn't want our financial support he wants to provide under his own efforts , the system says he can't .

This is 2019 not Victorian England .

Things need to change .

Many congratulations Animal. They're lucky to have you supporting them.

I tyhink that your kid's situation is very typical in the 'increased jobs' but '**** jobs' world that we live in. I know many former students from my career who are in exactly this situation, and it sounds horrible but their only chance of getting a secure place to live is when their parents die and those lucky to have parents that benefited from neo-liberal policies in terms of cheaper houses pass them down. But many don't have home owning parents and it is hard to see how they can achieve secure accommodation on their low wages. I fear for my 7 year old in exactly the same way.

But what you have is joy that money can't buy - relish every moment with your family

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

@ Wanchai

We became grandparents for the first time this week when my step daughter and her partner presented us with a baby boy .

The most wonderful gift you can ever receive .

However I worry and I have good reason to worry .

Her partner works his butt off at Amazon in Doncaster , he does everything he can to make ends meet , they don't go out , haven't a car , don't smoke and have never taken a holiday .

They live in privated rented over Kimberworth way , there's damp on the walls , repairs aren't forthcoming and they can barely afford the rent each month .

Just before the baby was born they received a letter telling them to vacate the property in 3 months time , a series of heated telephone exchanges had taken place about the damp on the walls with a new baby's arrival , the landlord has told them he's selling the property ........ hmmm .

Without our financial support they will go under and no family of mine or grandchild will ever have to end up like that while I walk this earth .

Now before anyone says anything our grandson wasn't planned , I'll spare the detail but it wasn't lack of common sense just one of those things .

They are desperate for some stability and security in their lives , a house they can turn in to a home and raise their child , a job that guarantees regular hours and provides a living wage , the company is successful and profitable to say the least .

The lad will do everything to stand on his own two feet , trust me he will , he doesn't want our financial support he wants to provide under his own efforts , the system says he can't .

This is 2019 not Victorian England .

Things need to change .

Yes they do need to change and quickly

A plunge into the 1970s though isn't the answer

Last thing we want is a government that spends money it hasn't got.

[animallittle3]

Many congratulations Animal. They're lucky to have you supporting them.

I tyhink that your kid's situation is very typical in the 'increased jobs' but '**** jobs' world that we live in. I know many former students from my career who are in exactly this situation, and it sounds horrible but their only chance of getting a secure place to live is when their parents die and those lucky to have parents that benefited from neo-liberal policies in terms of cheaper houses pass them down. But many don't have home owning parents and it is hard to see how they can achieve secure accommodation on their low wages. I fear for my 7 year old in exactly the same way.

But what you have is joy that money can't buy - relish every moment with your family

Thank you raging .

This is a serious problem facing our young people today , Labour have a duty to fix this and invest , massive undertaking of social affordable housing is a MUST .

We as a country are facing the very same issues we faced after WW2 .

S****y apartments in city centre locations seem to me to be where the focus is set for fairly obvious reasons .

Let's get back to basics within the Labour movement instead of attacking the top invest from the bottom up .

Attacking the wealth isn't a great electoral pitch .

Homes , health and jobs that provide security are electable socially progressive policies because the need is seen and felt by millions , free broadband isn't even in the same ballpark .

You borrow to invest at the bottom and the years paying it off at least gives you common purpose and the results are visable .


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