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[ramAnag]

So this election is, in Labour terms, a referendum about having a referendum?

I don’t think so...but it is an election that I doubt will actually clear the way forward so it may actually lead to a referendum.

You must be in much the same quandary as me.
Johnson’s new Tory Party is an abomination that I could never vote for.
Corbyn and Co. appear as well intentioned incompetents.
The Lib Dems would stop Brexit, which obviously I favour, but I have to acknowledge as being wholly undemocratic without a second Referendum.
The Greens speak a lot of sense but will probably get insufficient support to make a difference in these circumstances.
Spoiling the ballot paper? Complete waste of time.

So...what to do? Vote for whoever I eventually think will beat the Tory who happens to be a new candidate - a solicitor from down your way I believe - who doesn’t even live in the constituency.

[MadAmster]

It's a huge mess. Labour looking incompetenet. Tories have the worst growth figures in over a decade and now, apparently, want to up the pensiona age to 75. Lib Dems are a joke. Brexit Party even more so.

Met police investigating Tory use of offereing peerages as a bribe......

Do any of them actually, genuinely, want to win this election?

[Trickytreesreds]

So this election is, in Labour terms, a referendum about having a referendum?

No it's a referendum about leaving but being in.
Or not leaving and being in.

Only difference is, you'll be able to do feck all for yourself either way and you'll do as your told. Except with the best deal Corbyn will come up with, out means you won't even be allowed to complain ot try to block anything.
They take you for idiots.
Abide by the referendum my ass.

[mistaram]

No it's a referendum about leaving but being in.
Or not leaving and being in.

Only difference is, you'll be able to do feck all for yourself either way and you'll do as your told. Except with the best deal Corbyn will come up with, out means you won't even be allowed to complain ot try to block anything.
They take you for idiots.
Abide by the referendum my ass.

Tricky mate what suck are you on. T hats probably the biggest load of **** you have ever spouted in here ,and boy have you spouted some . Are you suffering from pre election nerves or something

[Trickytreesreds]

Tricky mate what suck are you on. T hats probably the biggest load of **** you have ever spouted in here ,and boy have you spouted some . Are you suffering from pre election nerves or something

Please explain. As a typical Corbynite, anything against him and his monkeys is bollox.

Corbyn, wants to negotiate a deal to stay in the customs union and single market.
In effect then, staying in. That will entail freedom of movement, EU law, no trade deals and a still paying in.
Then he expects you vote for that, or remaining?

So the choices are remain/remain

So exactly Mr sage, about that don't you understand?
Or are you just as stupid as he is in thinking we are all gullible.
It's you that spouts bollox sunshine, typical my way or the highway socialist


NB In what way does any bugger believe the EU will budge an inch? Juncker and Macron have said this or do one.
Personally, yes please. No deal it is then.

[Trickytreesreds]

Perhaps you believed this as much as when Corbyn faked it, sitting on the floor of a half empty train?

https://celebrity-hub.com/world-news...tory-policies/

[Geoff Parkstone]

I don’t think so...but it is an election that I doubt will actually clear the way forward so it may actually lead to a referendum.

You must be in much the same quandary as me.
Johnson’s new Tory Party is an abomination that I could never vote for.
Corbyn and Co. appear as well intentioned incompetents.
The Lib Dems would stop Brexit, which obviously I favour, but I have to acknowledge as being wholly undemocratic without a second Referendum.
The Greens speak a lot of sense but will probably get insufficient support to make a difference in these circumstances.
Spoiling the ballot paper? Complete waste of time.

So...what to do? Vote for whoever I eventually think will beat the Tory who happens to be a new candidate - a solicitor from down your way I believe - who doesn’t even live in the constituency.

My worry about Corbyn is primarily he is out of touch with reality and making promises he cannot keep or fund (not that the other parties are sticking to much of a budget either.)

Re nationalisation? In theory I agree for public services. But renationalising at a cut price to hurt the capitalist stakeholders? Hmm biggest losers there are pensioners or would be pensioners whose funds will lose billions in those circumstances. Ask yourself why I have derisked my pension to under 1% UK equities?

He's like a spoiled kud lashing out in anger at anyone and everyone to satisfy his ideals. Trouble is he's targeting those he is arguably trying to help.

[swaledale]

I don’t think so...but it is an election that I doubt will actually clear the way forward so it may actually lead to a referendum.

You must be in much the same quandary as me.
Johnson’s new Tory Party is an abomination that I could never vote for.
Corbyn and Co. appear as well intentioned incompetents.
The Lib Dems would stop Brexit, which obviously I favour, but I have to acknowledge as being wholly undemocratic without a second Referendum.
The Greens speak a lot of sense but will probably get insufficient support to make a difference in these circumstances.
Spoiling the ballot paper? Complete waste of time.

So...what to do? Vote for whoever I eventually think will beat the Tory who happens to be a new candidate - a solicitor from down your way I believe - who doesn’t even live in the constituency.

I don't get this Lib Dems standing on a Policy of stop Brexit as being undemocratic? They are clear about their policy should the electorate vote fort hem, they can't do it without being voted in democratically, so how the **** is it undemocratic? They are offering a clear democratic choice to the electorate.

Unfortunately they are unlikely to be in a position to be able to enact it.

RA you should ignore the right wing media, financed by ex pat tax avoiding billionaires who as they have historically done, spread outright lies about Corbyn and the labour party.

Compared to Johnson who continues to lie openly, with little challenge from the media, who has been proven to have no grasp of detail and is by every definition a member of the rich privileged privately educated so called elite who **** this country and the majority of people within it, and leads the political party which got the Uk into this mess in the first place. Corbyn is the only sensible choice unless as you say tactical voting requires you to vote for the candidate most likely to beat the Tory candidate.

[mistaram]

My worry about Corbyn is primarily he is out of touch with reality and making promises he cannot keep or
fund (not that the other parties are sticking to much of a budget either.)

Re nationalisation? In theory I agree for public services. But renationalising at a cut price to hurt the capitalist stakeholders? Hmm biggest losers there are pensioners or would be pensioners whose funds will lose billions in those circumstances. Ask yourself why I have derisked my pension to under 1% UK equities?

He's like a spoiled kud lashing out in anger at anyone and everyone to satisfy his ideals. Trouble is he's targeting those he is arguably trying to help.

So who lost out who won when they privatised Royal Mail You obviously don' commute by train everyday paying extortionate prices ,for subsidised foreign owners at tax payers expense

[MadAmster]

What a choice....

Lying bloody Tories (nowt new there) but now led by someone who lies more easily than a whore. Has little regard for anybody but those from his own background. May still rue Arcurigate surfacing in her video. Unworthy of party leadership, never mind being PM.

Labour using Tory tactics in videos. Corbyn et al promising the world and promising to cost it all in their manifesto but forgetting the knock on effect of renationalisation on the Pension Funds of their core voters.

LibDems who can easily promise anything and everything as they know they will never get into a position to carry it through. They will get more seats than they currently have as, IMO, they will do well in constituencies that voted remain. Tories say out, Labour are all for in out, in out shake it all about Hokey Cokeyism, LibDems say stay. 2 of the 3 giving a clear message with regard to the 2016 referendum.

Farridge's lot want out with no deal. IMO a catastrophe for the UK.

The rest are, looking at the bigger picture, irrelevant with the possible exception of the SNP who will sweep (or just about sweep) the board in Scotland. That will give them the mandate to push for Indyref2. BoJo says he won't give them one. It wouldn't surprise me, if he sticks to his word, that Wee Krankie declares UDI. That would, finacially cripple England either way. The Scots, in 2018 paid 62 billion into the Treasury and got 36 billion back. Without that 26 billion net gain, England will be buggered. THAT is why BoJo doesn't want them to have Indyref2.