Quote Originally Posted by Silly-miller View Post
Again I don’t think that’s true at all animal I think the fact that Tory’s won 3 elections was because of the other side being better than labour at the time.

Let’s look at past 4 elections

Brown had the country dump on him after Blair and never got a chance to fix things, but the country was in such a mess that people had run out of patience and the most common thought at the time we need a business man to fix this. Huge mistake in my opinion

Miliband had got the leadership after backstabbing his own brother, people do not like back stabbers look at gove people turned on him the same way as milliband, add that promise of a referendum on Eu to the mix and the mood shifted to Tory’s more.

Corbyn 2017

Corbyn was a strong contender first time around he was opinionated no nonsense left wing reformist people liked that, that’s why he got so many seats back from miliband, he lost votes on security issues and his life time on being a overseas diplomat would be great as a foreign secretary but a prime minister needs to look after his people and people didn’t think he would look after them at the time especially after so many terrorist attacks and his weak diplomatic response. Also his manefesto was a bit too unbelievable due to austerity people thought we was as broke as Cuba.

Corbyn 2019

They basically didn’t learn a bloody thing from 2017 instead they made it a bigger manifesto and what’s worse they kept adding new things it was like a advent calendar, corbyn was nowhere near as strong as he was in 2017 he was he surrounded himself with remoaners in his front bench and declared himself neutral then added a policy of a second referendum With remain vs practically remain it was suicidal in England and alienated many in the north, by them making it about party over country for three years. However boris came across as democratic let’s get it done and cherry picked some of corbyns ideas and matched it with his own spin on it.

If you ask me I think I would have kept to the referendum result and put across the message Tory’s can’t get it done in 3 years vote labour for a competent government who will bring order to chaos. Instead they got caught in the London bubble and made bad choices because of it
I think personally whenever you lose a GE as a leader you should go and yesterday's humiliation should make that happen from now on .

Like an England manager who fails to qualify for the world cup or euros , thanks but si thi .

I take the point Corbyn had something going in 2017 but the fact is we still lost and defeat is defeat .

It's contentious whether he should have earned another crack , I can see the merits of another go but after last night that ships now sailed for me and lets make that the benchmark , unless you are sitting in Downing Street your out .