Barnsley v West Brom Match Thoughts

[Jules88]

How many of the listed ones would come here for a relegation scrap. We’ve been here before in this division, and attracted some decent ones I’ll grant you.... but wasn’t that the problem in the end, we just didn’t make it, just didn’t stay up.....? We had them half a season ( like the cracking lad from Villa) and it wasn’t enough... we made the mistake at the beginning of this season, I know that, the plan is to get a group together who can “grow” . Signs are that this lot....(albeit slowly) are starting to grow...... I’d stick with it, we are halfway through the season and results are improving with the team getting better at scoring, and SLIGHTLY better at not conceding.

Imagine the group maturing together, Imagine how stronger they can be if we did manage it.. ... and yes.... that COULD be in League one, I grant you. But if they did stop up, they would have the experience of a full season, a scrap and emerge with more “nouse” (something that’s already starting to be evident).

I’d be more happy not selling anyone, than I would bringing two people in and destroying the improving team.

Take your point Animal, there are experienced players between 24 and 30 abroad, and why can’t the model be altered to find them....... but this is a tough League, and how long for Johnny Foreigner to bed in?

[SBRed48]

Loan players are not all lazy and disruptive. We would evva decent team with the likes of recent loan players such as--

Ollie McBurnie
Gary Gardener
Harvey Barnes
Matty James
Sam Morsy
Kevin Long
Paul McShane
Jack Butland
Ashley Fletcher

Hoss claims loan players are "disruptive in the locker room" based on his experience with Balotelli at Nice. His real reason for not wanting them is not a football one, it's because there is no financial payback when they go.

[SBRed48]

How many of the listed ones would come here for a relegation scrap. We’ve been here before in this division, and attracted some decent ones I’ll grant you.... but wasn’t that the problem in the end, we just didn’t make it, just didn’t stay up.....? We had them half a season ( like the cracking lad from Villa) and it wasn’t enough... we made the mistake at the beginning of this season, I know that, the plan is to get a group together who can “grow” . Signs are that this lot....(albeit slowly) are starting to grow...... I’d stick with it, we are halfway through the season and results are improving with the team getting better at scoring, and SLIGHTLY better at not conceding.

Imagine the group maturing together, Imagine how stronger they can be if we did manage it.. ... and yes.... that COULD be in League one, I grant you. But if they did stop up, they would have the experience of a full season, a scrap and emerge with more “nouse” (something that’s already starting to be evident).

I’d be more happy not selling anyone, than I would bringing two people in and destroying the improving team.

Take your point Animal, there are experienced players between 24 and 30 abroad, and why can’t the model be altered to find them....... but this is a tough League, and how long for Johnny Foreigner to bed in?

Gradually building a squad together and adding one or two each year is an ideal way to gain success Jules. Unfortunately the owners "Plan" of selling players who have developed and added to their transfer value gets in the way.

[pass_and_move]

There are young players too who don't have the right attitude and we've seen those at Oakwell too , Dale Jennings , Dante Cole and Malik Wilks appears to have something of an attitude too .

If the recruitment team are so good then surely it's not beyond them to be able to find the know how and experience above the 24 years threshold .

Billy Beane himself should know this more than anyone as he recruited many so called over the hill and under valued players for the Oakland A's .

Is the recruitment policy a one trick pony at Oakwell ? .

It's only a one trick pony because of the financial motives behind it and not because it can't be extended beyond said over 24 years of age threshold , Beane's philosophy is the evidence .

If we cast the net in to the European market which would appear to be our current stand then the possibilities are even more accommodating .

It's all about the MOTIVES isn't it , championship status v profit related .

Absolutely no way will I be convinced that the analytic approach can only be used under the age of 24 .

There are experienced players plying their trade in European leagues who could be recruited here within budget and keep us up , all day long .

Some very good points made there Animal and I agree but remain far too sceptical of the board and their intentions.

[pass_and_move]

Gradually building a squad together and adding one or two each year is an ideal way to gain success Jules. Unfortunately the owners "Plan" of selling players who have developed and added to their transfer value gets in the way.

That is pretty much the top and bottom of it SB. Every transfer window in the last few seasons I've absolutely dreaded it being a Barnsley fan. Nothing has changed to alter that.

[animallittle3]

How many of the listed ones would come here for a relegation scrap. We’ve been here before in this division, and attracted some decent ones I’ll grant you.... but wasn’t that the problem in the end, we just didn’t make it, just didn’t stay up.....? We had them half a season ( like the cracking lad from Villa) and it wasn’t enough... we made the mistake at the beginning of this season, I know that, the plan is to get a group together who can “grow” . Signs are that this lot....(albeit slowly) are starting to grow...... I’d stick with it, we are halfway through the season and results are improving with the team getting better at scoring, and SLIGHTLY better at not conceding.

Imagine the group maturing together, Imagine how stronger they can be if we did manage it.. ... and yes.... that COULD be in League one, I grant you. But if they did stop up, they would have the experience of a full season, a scrap and emerge with more “nouse” (something that’s already starting to be evident).

I’d be more happy not selling anyone, than I would bringing two people in and destroying the improving team.

Take your point Animal, there are experienced players between 24 and 30 abroad, and why can’t the model be altered to find them....... but this is a tough League, and how long for Johnny Foreigner to bed in?

Jules

There is no group maturing together until one fine day we have a very competitive championship team .

That's simply the philosophy the club sells to keep fans such as yourself so that you keep attending .

The reality is totally different because the club sells it's better players and replaces them initially with poorer ones so by definition you aren't ever going to see the maturity come to fruition .

The maturity comes when Ethan Pinnock plays for Brentford next season in the PL and joins Connor Hourihane .

This is why I can't support this shyte show anymore , what's the point ? .

What does it actually mean to our fans that Cauley Woodrow , Connor Chaplin , Alex Mowatt or Jacob Brown are shining lights at this level ?

Very little given that they will be sold and we are once again back to square one and repeat whilst pyssing off every decent HC we recruit along the way .

We've won 4 games , absorb that fact , 4 games all season .

Things have been so poor the recent upturn in fortune is painting a false picture , it's providing hope but that's all it is , a bit of hope .

As it really come to this that a modicum of success at this level has the support hi fiving and back slapping and assuming things are going to fall in to place ? .

The new success is now 4 wins and the bottom 3 before the year ends and not cast adrift .

Never was and never will be and the remarkable thing is that it's self inflicted .

Each to their own .

[Barnsley Chop]

Loan players are not all lazy and disruptive. We would evva decent team with the likes of recent loan players such as--

Ollie McBurnie
Gary Gardener
Harvey Barnes
Matty James
Sam Morsy
Kevin Long
Paul McShane
Jack Butland
Ashley Fletcher

Hoss claims loan players are "disruptive in the locker room" based on his experience with Balotelli at Nice. His real reason for not wanting them is not a football one, it's because there is no financial payback when they go.

Add Shotton and Trippier to the above players SB and a good starting eleven

[Jules88]

[QUOTE=animallittle3;39396159]Jules

There is no group maturing together until one fine day we have a very competitive championship team .

That's simply the philosophy the club sells to keep fans such as yourself so that you keep attending .

The reality is totally different because the club sells it's better players and replaces them initially with poorer ones so by definition you aren't ever going to see the maturity come to fruition .

The maturity comes when Ethan Pinnock plays for Brentford next season in the PL and joins Connor Hourihane .

This is why I can't support this shyte show anymore , what's the point ? .

What does it actually mean to our fans that Cauley Woodrow , Connor Chaplin , Alex Mowatt or Jacob Brown are shining lights at this level ?

Very little given that they will be sold and we are once again back to square one and repeat whilst pyssing off every decent HC we recruit along the way .

We've won 4 games , absorb that fact , 4 games all season .

Things have been so poor the recent upturn in fortune is painting a false picture , it's providing hope but that's all it is , a bit of hope .

As it really come to this that a modicum of success at this level has the support hi fiving and back slapping and assuming things are going to fall in to place ? .

The new success is now 4 wins and the bottom 3 before the year ends and not cast adrift .

Never was and never will be and the remarkable thing is that it's self inflicted .

Each to their own .[/QUOTE

We’ve been over this before, we know each other’s views, I’m not raking over old Cokes. and I’m not saying your wrong, what I’m saying is that even with a couple of older heads (and I wouldn’t want any more than that as we have some good youth potential here too) it would be a big achievement to finish any more than fourth bottom. At the moment we are in touching distance, with a change of manager and 12 new laikers.
We are improving. Just.
I’m not saying that it’s all Smashing..... but THE TEAM is improving.
If, and a big if, they don’t sell anyone other than the four mentioned Thiam, Pinnilos, Cavare amd Jordan Green, then would that please you.? (I KNOW you won’t go, LOL, but would it? based on the improvement lately at least suggest that we are learning from previous January windows...

[animallittle3]

[QUOTE=Jules88;39396209]

Jules

There is no group maturing together until one fine day we have a very competitive championship team .

That's simply the philosophy the club sells to keep fans such as yourself so that you keep attending .

The reality is totally different because the club sells it's better players and replaces them initially with poorer ones so by definition you aren't ever going to see the maturity come to fruition .

The maturity comes when Ethan Pinnock plays for Brentford next season in the PL and joins Connor Hourihane .

This is why I can't support this shyte show anymore , what's the point ? .

What does it actually mean to our fans that Cauley Woodrow , Connor Chaplin , Alex Mowatt or Jacob Brown are shining lights at this level ?

Very little given that they will be sold and we are once again back to square one and repeat whilst pyssing off every decent HC we recruit along the way .

We've won 4 games , absorb that fact , 4 games all season .

Things have been so poor the recent upturn in fortune is painting a false picture , it's providing hope but that's all it is , a bit of hope .

As it really come to this that a modicum of success at this level has the support hi fiving and back slapping and assuming things are going to fall in to place ? .

The new success is now 4 wins and the bottom 3 before the year ends and not cast adrift .

Never was and never will be and the remarkable thing is that it's self inflicted .

Each to their own .[/QUOTE

We’ve been over this before, we know each other’s views, I’m not raking over old Cokes. and I’m not saying your wrong, what I’m saying is that even with a couple of older heads (and I wouldn’t want any more than that as we have some good youth potential here too) it would be a big achievement to finish any more than fourth bottom. At the moment we are in touching distance, with a change of manager and 12 new laikers.
We are improving. Just.
I’m not saying that it’s all Smashing..... but THE TEAM is improving.
If, and a big if, they don’t sell anyone other than the four mentioned Thiam, Pinnilos, Cavare amd Jordan Green, then would that please you.? (I KNOW you won’t go, LOL, but would it? based on the improvement lately at least suggest that we are learning from previous January windows...

If we don't sell anyone of value would that please you ?

Just shows where the bar is set doesn't it these last few years ?

I'm meant to judge a successful transfer window as not selling a top talent even though we are deep in relegation trouble ?

As time goes by our expectations become even less and holding firm becomes the new success as opposed to providing the tools to stay in the league and keep the top talent .

The ownership remind me of the Tory government con trick , don't give public services a cracker for 9 years and then invest , except that the investment still falls way short of what it was 9 years before so in effect they are still underfunding services .

Get rid of the dead wood by all means but let's keep the talent and add some smart acquisitions this window and give this young group and HC a chance .

I'll get back to you on February 1st .

[Acido]

Excellent point today against top of the table WBA.
Swansea up next at home then mid January Huddersfield Town. Just keep in touch and see where it takes yer. Still all to play for and still plenty of points available.
Good Luck.

Tahh Frankie Miller lol.
Hey mate, have you bought Animal that pint yet that we were talking about ?.
We've always had this problem as a club, we can and most times we do raise our game for a near top of the table team. But we can and often do the opposite for a near bottom of the table team. Know wot I mean!.