Marcelo

[WTF11]

Kinda of agree with you, although Forest apart we have played more than well enough throughout games that we have lost / drawn to have won with better finishing, The problem is our finishing, not just Bamford as some like to blame just him.Its not that we are playing poorly far from it, and for that reason alone is why i am still positive of MB achieving his goal of the prem this season.

"Its not that we are playing poorly, far from it"??????

What planet are you inhabiting? It sure as hell isn't that little blue planet most of us call Earth!

[pete1967b]

"Its not that we are playing poorly, far from it"??????

What planet are you inhabiting? It sure as hell isn't that little blue planet most of us call Earth!

I said i wouldnt reply to your **** sad posts anymore, you sure make it difficult, all i ever hear from you is i have just watched the highlights, well keep watching **** highlights because that is what probably makes us look poor,

I am i assure you on this planet, i watch us LIVE more often than not and for anyone to come on here ( Forest apart because i thought we were poor, having said that if Cooper had scored it would have been different, top save from their keeper) and say we are playing **** are as you so often allude to are delusional, go to a fkin game for gods sake and see the effort these lads put in to try and win every game then come back on here and spout your ****e, you claim to know all and everything about us but you know jack ****.

Lads on this forum do not go to games, they cant go to games for whatever reason, they are as frustrated as people who do go and i get that, but you are one of a kind, its as though you hate us and jump on ship with your negative drivel at every opportunity.

You get personal and argumentative if anyone says different to you, that is not debate, you proper depress me.

[WTF11]

I said i wouldnt reply to your **** sad posts anymore, you sure make it difficult, all i ever hear from you is i have just watched the highlights, well keep watching **** highlights because that is what probably makes us look poor,

I am i assure you on this planet, i watch us LIVE more often than not and for anyone to come on here ( Forest apart because i thought we were poor, having said that if Cooper had scored it would have been different, top save from their keeper) and say we are playing **** are as you so often allude to are delusional, go to a fkin game for gods sake and see the effort these lads put in to try and win every game then come back on here and spout your ****e, you claim to know all and everything about us but you know jack ****.

Lads on this forum do not go to games, they cant go to games for whatever reason, they are as frustrated as people who do go and i get that, but you are one of a kind, its as though you hate us and jump on ship with your negative drivel at every opportunity.

You get personal and argumentative if anyone says different to you, that is not debate, you proper depress me.

I don't "claim to know all and everything about us", unlike those "real fans" who are fortunate enough to be able to watch LIVE, but I have eyes to see and for all we huff and puff for 90 minutes and play tippy-tappy possession football that clearly delights you and those like you, we have seen an 11 point cushion disappear in just over 4 weeks. That's NOT playing well!

[ozleeds]

I said i wouldnt reply to your **** sad posts anymore, you sure make it difficult, all i ever hear from you is i have just watched the highlights, well keep watching **** highlights because that is what probably makes us look poor,

I am i assure you on this planet, i watch us LIVE more often than not and for anyone to come on here ( Forest apart because i thought we were poor, having said that if Cooper had scored it would have been different, top save from their keeper) and say we are playing **** are as you so often allude to are delusional, go to a fkin game for gods sake and see the effort these lads put in to try and win every game then come back on here and spout your ****e, you claim to know all and everything about us but you know jack ****.

Lads on this forum do not go to games, they cant go to games for whatever reason, they are as frustrated as people who do go and i get that, but you are one of a kind, its as though you hate us and jump on ship with your negative drivel at every opportunity.

You get personal and argumentative if anyone says different to you, that is not debate, you proper depress me.

Pete, I don't think anyone has ever said the lads aren't trying. Most are questioning Traning methods recruiting lack off, Player management so on and trying to figure wtf is going on.
I keep going back to training and MBs side's starting well and finishing badly. He came out today and said we are the best team in the competition hummmmm 6 losses out of the last ten games don't go well with me.
I feel he should keep his mouth shut till he produces the goods which record suggests has no chance at all.
Anyway will see what happens in a few hours good luck and my the gods be with us lol.

[BelfastAndy]

He knew JKA wasn't ready. Should have bought a proven player who could score and who would have more or less assured us of top two. JKA is a strange one. Even when fit he's doesn't exactly bang em in for fun.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Yet again it descends into bickering - can’t we be civil?

If you look at the bloated squad he inherited that looked destined to be relegated it shows how far we have come.

The profit and sustainability rules are on the EFL website so anyone can read them. They present a huge challenge to most championship clubs as they want to chase the prem dreams but if they do then if they breach the rules and get a points deduction.

Bielsa has maybe improved some of the players to their limits but we seem to have good young players that he won’t play.

When Phillips was injured surely it was an opportunity for Mcalmont or Gotts. Davis at left back looked good but seems no where near the first team.

We also know that for all his great qualities Bielsa is known to be stubborn and likes small squads which make it hard in this league.

The only thing I don’t get is that we have looked short up front for ages and he seems determined to prove PB can do it. Maybe JKA will be the one.

For all the frustration I would rather have Bielsa in charge and pushing for promotion that some of those we have had in charge in the past.

The football is good we just need to crack converting chances. We can’t change anything so just need to keep the faith.

MOT

[WTF11]

Yet again it descends into bickering - can’t we be civil?

If you look at the bloated squad he inherited that looked destined to be relegated it shows how far we have come.

The profit and sustainability rules are on the EFL website so anyone can read them. They present a huge challenge to most championship clubs as they want to chase the prem dreams but if they do then if they breach the rules and get a points deduction.

Bielsa has maybe improved some of the players to their limits but we seem to have good young players that he won’t play.

When Phillips was injured surely it was an opportunity for Mcalmont or Gotts. Davis at left back looked good but seems no where near the first team.

We also know that for all his great qualities Bielsa is known to be stubborn and likes small squads which make it hard in this league.

The only thing I don’t get is that we have looked short up front for ages and he seems determined to prove PB can do it. Maybe JKA will be the one.

For all the frustration I would rather have Bielsa in charge and pushing for promotion that some of those we have had in charge in the past.

The football is good we just need to crack converting chances. We can’t change anything so just need to keep the faith.

MOT

HO, you make the same points that many others have (including myself) that despite there being options available, Beilsa seems hell bent on sticking with the "squad" of players that have played virtually every match this season. We knew at the end of last season it was likely to wear some out, AND that we had issues at both ends of the pitch.. None of that seems to have changed either Bielsas insistence on using a limited number of players, nor investing in (or being prepared to change for those more likely to succeed, where available), those positions where everyone and his uncle knows we are weak.

Just because I put it more directly, I get accused of spouting drivel, of not being a "real fan" (grouped in with a few others I suspect). I don't give "blind" loyalty and frankly if more fans were prepared to hold the club to book more often, instead of suggesting that we "bend over and get shafted again", then perhaps the club might have listened to what by any measure is the most loyal, most deserving fan base bar none and in any division anywhere in the world (including Pete and Pacaman etc, just because they are wrong doesn't make them any less Leeds fans!).

Difference of opinion is surely what the board should be about, so discussion and argument can be had, without being accused of not being a fan, or taken to task because for one reason or another we cant all go to ER.

I do take issue with your last statement though. The football at the moment is not good. We just about boss the midfield, but to no palpable end result, and keeping the faith is all well and good but its exactly because we can't change anything that so many question why the club can't/won't address the failings that so many of us who post here (And elsewhere) have called out so often, for so long.

[spaldy]

Many of us on the board posting are older and have been through the good, bad and ugly of life. These experiences temper your outlook on life. Often these experiences give us insight on how something is going to play out.

I think the intensity on the board reflects an analogy of a story some of have experienced. We have a crazy uncle at a social event running the grill/cooking and the foods going to end up burnt and tasteless. The same thing over and over again no matter how others in the family try to intervene to stop the crazy uncle.

MB is not going to change and right now this team can't beat anyone in the championship. He's not changing up the team, he's not playing Meslier, he's not going to bring in any of the U-23's, he's not going to lighten up in training, he's not going to change formation and he's not going to sit bamford. If we somehow limp into the playoffs we'll get annihilated by some in form team that's the opposite trajectory of where we are heading.

Perhaps the most damning thing is that we are looking at next year and realize we won't have Phillips, Harrison, White, Pablo, Klich, Ayling and some of the U-23's will have been picked off. we'll still have bamford, kiko, roberts, forshaw and douglas. we'll probably have some english retread like Big Sam and we'll look back and realize how close we were. Much worse than the dark years where we had not real chance of going up or improving. Might actually be worse to have had the chance and missed because of a correctable situation. we will be one of the best teams (when in form) to ever have played in the championship and not been promoted.

it was beautiful football and was a thrill while it lasted.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

HO, you make the same points that many others have (including myself) that despite there being options available, Beilsa seems hell bent on sticking with the "squad" of players that have played virtually every match this season. We knew at the end of last season it was likely to wear some out, AND that we had issues at both ends of the pitch.. None of that seems to have changed either Bielsas insistence on using a limited number of players, nor investing in (or being prepared to change for those more likely to succeed, where available), those positions where everyone and his uncle knows we are weak.

Just because I put it more directly, I get accused of spouting drivel, of not being a "real fan" (grouped in with a few others I suspect). I don't give "blind" loyalty and frankly if more fans were prepared to hold the club to book more often, instead of suggesting that we "bend over and get shafted again", then perhaps the club might have listened to what by any measure is the most loyal, most deserving fan base bar none and in any division anywhere in the world (including Pete and Pacaman etc, just because they are wrong doesn't make them any less Leeds fans!).

Difference of opinion is surely what the board should be about, so discussion and argument can be had, without being accused of not being a fan, or taken to task because for one reason or another we cant all go to ER.

I do take issue with your last statement though. The football at the moment is not good. We just about boss the midfield, but to no palpable end result, and keeping the faith is all well and good but its exactly because we can't change anything that so many question why the club can't/won't address the failings that so many of us who post here (And elsewhere) have called out so often, for so long.

Wasn’t aiming this at you specifically and you can fairly claim to be ‘sinned against’ on many occasions. Was more just bemoaning the decent into bickering once again.

I suspect we agree on a fair few things irrespective of how we express them and disagree on some too which is fine as if we all agreed 100% life would be boring.

I still think we play better football than in the recent past. The worst I have seen was probably in the early 80s though some of the drivel served up by Warnock, PH and Hock is probably just as bad.

The key for me is scoring - I said weeks ago if we score more it doesn’t matter if we concede the odd goal.

We have a good set of players in the u23 and it bemuses and frustrates me that we don’t give them more game time here and there so that they can develop and so when we need them they are ready.

White is not a DM but we could have brought through Mcalmont or Gotts to cover that.

This was the year that Bogusz looked like breaking through too and not sure he has any league play time at all.

Bamford against Forest looked like he wanted to do the things he can do well - hold up and build the play and avoid being in a position where he could miss - that means he needs a break but don’t think he can get one.

If you haven’t read any of the Athletic articles - Phil Hay writes some good stuff.

Seems like the main test for first team selection is the weekly murderball session. Izzy Brown hated hem and didn’t perform this he got virtually no play time.

I also wonder who if anyone challenges Bielsa in his role- not because he is doing a bad job per se but we all need someone to make sure we are striving to be better at work.

Anyway nothing we can do but hope and pray - the two good bits of news for tonight - Phillips is back and the Brentford coach wrote the team talk.

Maybe we need to change the line in MOT so we no longer have ups and downs! Joking btw

[norfolk white]

The Brentford coach wants taking down a peg or two