Attn Sinkov

[1959_60]

BT, if you campaign in an election on a specific issue and then lose, do you give up campaigning for what you believe is right?
Or do you continue your fight?

[sinkov]

BT, if you campaign in an election on a specific issue and then lose, do you give up campaigning for what you believe is right?
Or do you continue your fight?

Of course you don't give up campaigning 59, you continue campaigning right through to the next election and try again, in this case that would mean the LibDems fighting the next election on a ticket of re-joining the EU, and if they're elected they could start the process of re-applying for membership of the EU, and no one could have any complaint.

What you don't do is arbitrarily overturn the result of the election you've just lost, which is what the LibDems proposed to do with the referendum result. Overturning democratic votes is extremism, fascism if you like.

[1959_60]

Of course you don't give up campaigning 59, you continue campaigning right through to the next election and try again, in this case that would mean the LibDems fighting the next election on a ticket of re-joining the EU, and if they're elected they could start the process of re-applying for membership of the EU, and no one could have any complaint.

What you don't do is arbitrarily overturn the result of the election you've just lost, which is what the LibDems proposed to do with the referendum result. Overturning democratic votes is extremism, fascism if you like.

I grant that you have half a point there Sinkov.

As I said above, the revoke thing was a mistake and badly explained.

But I would not agree that it was anti democratic.

"Vote for us and we stay in the EU" that's a fair enough thing to say during an election campaign?

What this also said was "If you want to leave the EU then don't vote for us"

Perfectly legitimate stance to have but still a fatal mistake I think.

[outwoodclaret]

[B]




Hanging was an issue that divided the country. It was finally abolished in 1969 after many years of argy bargy from both sides.
There is a move by some Tory MP's to bring hanging back. If there were to be a referendum on it, and it was passed, then I for one (and I suspect Labour and the Lib Dems) would campaign strongly for it's abolition once again.
But we would not be "going to arbitrarily cancel 17.4 million votes and overturn it." That is complete nonsense and you know it.
But we would strongly campaign for it's abolition - which has been normal practice in a democracy since the year dot.

The cause for abolition was given much additional weight by three particular cases. The hanging of Timothy Evans for the crimes committed by John Reginald Christie; the hanging of Ruth Ellis who murdered her sometimes violent lover when public opinion was strongly against the death penalty in the circumstances of her case;and finally the hanging of Derek Bentley for the murder of a police officer by his accomplice Chris Craig who at 16 was himself too young to be sentenced to death.

Public opinion has no doubt shifted in recent years because of the vile and repulsive deeds by Al-Qaeda and ISIS amongst others. I am yet to be convinced about the merits or otherwise of the re-introduction of capital punishment.

[1959_60]

I'm dead (pun not intended) against state controlled killings.
You quote three good examples there outwood and there are many more.

There have been plenty of examples of people who would have hung since 1969 if the option had been available
The Guilford Four and Maguire Seven for instance.

As for terror related hangings....in my opinion we would be guilty of dragging our society down to their level.
And the various groups would treat the convicts as martyrs - they would become recruiting sergeants for their cause.
Nothing good would come of it.

[sinkov]

"How on earth could the Lib Dems arbitrarily cancel Brexit??"

You don't know what your own party's policy was 59, that's bizarre. Here's your answer, this is from the Guardian 16th September,

" Lib Dems no longer want a second Brexit referendum; instead they would simply revoke article 50 without a public vote."

As your lefty bible the Guardian says, it was official LibDem policy to revoke A50 without a 2nd referendum, the EU had already said that would be perfectly acceptable to them, so Bob's your uncle and we're back in. 17.4 million votes nullified at a stroke, I'm not sure even Stalin, Mussolini or Hitler ever tried to pull such a stunt and they were a trio of rum buggers to put it mildly. The EU aren't overkeen on democracy either, but at least when they lose a referendum, they go away, do a bit of bullying, a bit of cajoling, alter some of the wording and then have another referendum, and keep on having them until they win. But not the LibDems, result arbitrarily invalidated, 17.4 million votes flushed down the toilet, fascistic or what ?

"Hanging was an issue that divided the country. It was finally abolished in 1969 after many years of argy bargy from both sides.
There is a move by some Tory MP's to bring hanging back"

But it's not the policy of any mainstream party 59, I would like an example of a more extreme policy than the LibDem policy of arbitrarily overturning the biggest democratic vote this country has ever had. You're struggling aren't you.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

BT, if you campaign in an election on a specific issue and then lose, do you give up campaigning for what you believe is right?
Or do you continue your fight?

You do not arbitrarily disenfranchise 17.4 million voters because you think they are wrong. They are the politics of fascism.

Oh sh-it I'm now agreeing with sinkov.

[1959_60]

You do not arbitrarily disenfranchise 17.4 million voters because you think they are wrong. They are the politics of fascism.

Oh sh-it I'm now agreeing with sinkov.

See my post 23. It's not difficult folks.

In a GE you can put stuff in your manifesto but this is not the same as "arbitrarily cancelling Brexit" for example.

For this to happen the voters of the UK would have to give you a mandate to do it. If they did then that's democracy. If they didn't then it's still democracy.

Any road, I'm just setting off for Buxton for a few days. Please keep posting tripe and I'll deal with it on Monday

[Balanbam00]

Any road? Be careful 59 , you could end up in Margate?

[1959_60]

Any road? Be careful 59 , you could end up in Margate?