O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[OchPie]

Ok so I worked for the WHO and other agencies on Covid vaccines (distribution, not development) and had a WHO email address. So take this as you will. But reimagining history to support a narrative helps nobody.

The virus was not "getting weaker" - Delta was more deadly. People only get immunity after getting infected (or vaccinated!), so with a naive immune system it doesn't matter whether it was caught in April 2020 or April 2021.

And for this:

they used the spikes of the virus to develop the vaccine, rather than the core of the virus, which would have produced a stronger longer lasting vaccine. Why would they do that I wonder... oh yes to sell more vaccines., kerrrr ching.

Vaccines were aimed at a variety of parts of the virus, including "whole virus" approaches such as inactivated or live-attenuated virus approaches. That's what Sinovac is, for example. It just wasn't as effective.

By "the core" I assume you mean targeting nucleocapsid proteins, one of the four key protein types in the SARS-CoV-2 virus which is held inside the core of the virus. Companies went with spike vaccines because they were quicker, even knowing that they risked being out-evolved by the virus. Even AstraZeneca, who committed to an initial non-profit model. Research does continue though.

[Magpies1959]

I tried EP but I was payed off to keep quiet.

[Magpies1959]

It is strange how the people on here who love to lace into the Tories at any suggestion of dodgy deals for their mates, are standing shoulder to shoulder with huge phama companies that are making billions out of a vaccine that has been rushed out, without the usual rigorous tests, and causing harm to people who would have been fine without it.

[Elite_Pie]

It is strange how the people on here who love to lace into the Tories at any suggestion of dodgy deals for their mates, are standing shoulder to shoulder with huge phama companies that are making billions out of a vaccine that has been rushed out, without the usual rigorous tests, and causing harm to people who would have been fine without it.

I don't trust anything this government says or does, and can easily believe that many of them and their mates got very rich because of covid. But I think the vaccine was a case of 'damned if they do, damned if they don't'. The arguments for and against were way too complex for me, but the majority view was that a vaccine was needed and I don't think that was down to money.

I had 3 doses, and if I could turn the clock back I'd do exactly the same.

[upthemaggies]

It is strange how the people on here who love to lace into the Tories at any suggestion of dodgy deals for their mates, are standing shoulder to shoulder with huge phama companies that are making billions out of a vaccine that has been rushed out, without the usual rigorous tests, and causing harm to people who would have been fine without it.

Not on here, but out there - there were useful idiots among the left who saw it as the perfect opportunity to bring down capitalism. Extremists are always tolerated to some extent by moderates on their own side (be that right or left) and the extremists do have more influence as the landscape becomes more polarised in times of greater uncertainty. One of the key figures advising the government was literally a communist, an expert in behavioural psychology, IIRC she was often introduced as a scientist/expert when she appeared on television. People trusted and listened to her.

As I'm sure most will know, the communists began weaponizing health as well as class, race, ***uality as a means of gaining power a century ago once they realised the poor were becoming better off under capitalism and rejecting socialism, but all of that is now on steroids because people of all political persuasions are seeing the monetary value in exploiting these factors, including groups supposedly fighting injustice now acting like protection rackets, it's a grift for a small bunch of people to make easy money whilst the rest of us are left arguing about what a woman is and whether or not teachers and pupils should be reprimanded for refusing to use horse or cat pronouns, distracted from the real issues.

[Old_pie]

I don't trust anything this government says or does, and can easily believe that many of them and their mates got very rich because of covid. But I think the vaccine was a case of 'damned if they do, damned if they don't'. The arguments for and against were way too complex for me, but the majority view was that a vaccine was needed and I don't think that was down to money.

I had 3 doses, and if I could turn the clock back I'd do exactly the same.

I assume I'm older than you as I've had 5. Are you sure you've not miscounted though?

Jan 21 initial
Apr 21 2nd dose
Oct 21 Autumn Booster
Sep 22 Autumn Booster
May 23 Spring Booster

[Elite_Pie]

I assume I'm older than you as I've had 5. Are you sure you've not miscounted though?

Jan 21 initial
Apr 21 2nd dose
Oct 21 Autumn Booster
Sep 22 Autumn Booster
May 23 Spring Booster

Yep, I must have had 4 rather than 3.

If I grow an extra finger I'll have to move to Mansfield so people don't stare at me.

[countygump]

Yep, I must have had 4 rather than 3.

If I grow an extra finger I'll have to move to Mansfield so people don't stare at me.

Same for me. I think the Spring one this year was only for over 75's and peeps with a compromised immunity system and apparently there was a lower than expected uptake for it @ the 50% mark. Not really a conspiracy theorist myself as far as vaccines go, but one thing I've always found interesting is why the only Pharma firm that did a vaccine at cost, (AstraZeneca), quickly had it rubbished off the market by all of it's competitors? Conspiracy, or just a chit vaccine?

[i961pie]

I don't trust anything this government says or does, and can easily believe that many of them and their mates got very rich because of covid. But I think the vaccine was a case of 'damned if they do, damned if they don't'. The arguments for and against were way too complex for me, but the majority view was that a vaccine was needed and I don't think that was down to money.

I had 3 doses, and if I could turn the clock back I'd do exactly the same.

Ditto

[PedroTheFisherman66]

I don't trust anything this government says or does, and can easily believe that many of them and their mates got very rich because of covid. But I think the vaccine was a case of 'damned if they do, damned if they don't'. The arguments for and against were way too complex for me, but the majority view was that a vaccine was needed and I don't think that was down to money.

I had 3 doses, and if I could turn the clock back I'd do exactly the same.

Any reason why youve not had the other doses they are giving out .?