O/T Prince Charles Tests Positive

[MadAmster]

No doubt he will, as will Bojo, Corbyn, Trump et al!
Twas ever thus!

Of course. heaven forbid that those who tell the rest of us what to do should fall foul of this virus.

[Trickytreesreds]

Of course. heaven forbid that those who tell the rest of us what to do should fall foul of this virus.

Why are you assuming that everyone who gets this virus is going to need a ventilator?

I really wish I could know the actual infection figures of who has come into contact with this virus.
It amazes me at how many of these famous and celebrities, have "apparently" got this and are in isolation.
If you was the take up the celebrities as a percentage of the population, then there must be a hell of a lot more than the reported 6000+ cases admitted to.

Even their own figures are starting to look dubious.
80% of infected people will show mild symptoms (including 20% that will show no symptoms at all), 15% will show severe symptoms that may require medical support and 5% will be critical cases that require life sustaining medical support.

So ineffect, you have less than a 1% chance of dying, more likely 0.2%.

Now lets add some realism here.

Heart disease over 15 million
COP 3 million
Lung cancer 2 million
Diarrhoeal 2 million
Malaria 0.5 million out of 220 million cases every bloody year

Of course this is dangerous to certain few. BUT SO IS NORMAL FLU, which is why they give out flu jabs.

If I see one more "celebrity" on social media crying and telling the world of their misery with the sniffles in isolation, I'm gonna drop someone.

As someone that had been in a coma for a month, on morphine for 8 weeks, whilst being given a 5 % chance of survival, I find this so bloody drama queen attitude that is akin to the soft *******s in todays society.
To name but a few

[ramAnag]

Why are you assuming that everyone who gets this virus is going to need a ventilator?

I really wish I could know the actual infection figures of who has come into contact with this virus.
It amazes me at how many of these famous and celebrities, have "apparently" got this and are in isolation.
If you was the take up the celebrities as a percentage of the population, then there must be a hell of a lot more than the reported 6000+ cases admitted to.

Even their own figures are starting to look dubious.
80% of infected people will show mild symptoms (including 20% that will show no symptoms at all), 15% will show severe symptoms that may require medical support and 5% will be critical cases that require life sustaining medical support.

So ineffect, you have less than a 1% chance of dying, more likely 0.2%.

Now lets add some realism here.

Heart disease over 15 million
COP 3 million
Lung cancer 2 million
Diarrhoeal 2 million
Malaria 0.5 million out of 220 million cases every bloody year

Of course this is dangerous to certain few. BUT SO IS NORMAL FLU, which is why they give out flu jabs.

If I see one more "celebrity" on social media crying and telling the world of their misery with the sniffles in isolation, I'm gonna drop someone.

As someone that had been in a coma for a month, on morphine for 8 weeks, whilst being given a 5 % chance of survival, I find this so bloody drama queen attitude that is akin to the soft *******s in todays society.
To name but a few

How’s he ‘assuming that everyone who gets the virus is going to need a ventilator’?

Aren’t you the one being a bit of a ‘drama queen’. We know you were ill and we wished you well. You don’t have the monopoly as regards health issues though and it’s hardly the time to start playing the - ‘I’ve had something worse than Coronavirus...it’s only a sniffle’ - card is it? Doesn’t really help.

[Trickytreesreds]

How’s he ‘assuming that everyone who gets the virus is going to need a ventilator’?

Aren’t you the one being a bit of a ‘drama queen’. We know you were ill and we wished you well. You don’t have the monopoly as regards health issues though and it’s hardly the time to start playing the - ‘I’ve had something worse than Coronavirus...it’s only a sniffle’ - card is it? Doesn’t really help.

no I.m not being a drama queen.
1. I never live broadcast, nor did I give a daily bulletin of my woes.
2. There were a lot of people in that intensive care at the same time, worse than I was. Some didn't come out. Neither they, nor their families felt the need to give a live feed of their woes either.
3. I'll say again. Show me anything that kills even a small amount larger than this, that has had such a reaction of the world scene.

Lung cancer kills far more. They could make tobacco illegal. But for obvious reasons won't.

Malaria kills far more, but where is the hysteria here either?

So I'll say again, why now?
What makes this crisis a world threat more than any other and causes "celebrities " to tell the world their troubles?

I think drama queens does cover it.
Tell you what, I'll change my stance, the first time one of these drama queens snuffs it. ( provided they didn't have lung issues from 50 fags a day either)

[MadAmster]

The question rA asked (which I would have asked, had he not already done so) was..... How’s he ‘assuming that everyone who gets the virus is going to need a ventilator’?

May we have an answer please?

[Trickytreesreds]

May we have an answer please?

Maddy, I meant to put MOP's post on there, but somehow, it didn't quote. So sorry if you think I meant you. Yours was there to carry on the post.

Here's something in line with what I was getting at.
If all these famous folk and celebs are getting this, then the infection is much much greater than believed. If this is true- https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-...tdEHBi5fYwmZkI

Then it it hardly surprising that even folks that live in luxury have it.
My point is, to most folks it is no more than a runny nose and the threat comes to old and sick that ordinary flu would have the same effect on.
This is new and virulent. That is the only difference that I can see.

[MadAmster]

Maddy, I meant to put MOP's post on there, but somehow, it didn't quote. So sorry if you think I meant you. Yours was there to carry on the post.

As it was my post you quoted, what other than it meaning me could I have understood

[ramAnag]

no I.m not being a drama queen.
1. I never live broadcast, nor did I give a daily bulletin of my woes.
2. There were a lot of people in that intensive care at the same time, worse than I was. Some didn't come out. Neither they, nor their families felt the need to give a live feed of their woes either.
3. I'll say again. Show me anything that kills even a small amount larger than this, that has had such a reaction of the world scene.

Lung cancer kills far more. They could make tobacco illegal. But for obvious reasons won't.

Malaria kills far more, but where is the hysteria here either?

So I'll say again, why now?
What makes this crisis a world threat more than any other and causes "celebrities " to tell the world their troubles?

I think drama queens does cover it.
Tell you what, I'll change my stance, the first time one of these drama queens snuffs it. ( provided they didn't have lung issues from 50 fags a day either)

Okay...have it your way...to most people the difference is that you can’t catch lung cancer or heart disease from other people.

FACTS are that 20,000 people have died directly from this pandemic in the last four months and another 28 in our tiny little island nation just today.

There have now been more deaths in nearby Spain than have been declared in China and the situation in New York is pretty damned desperate but never mind...in your pseudo macho world it’s nowt but a ‘sniffle’.

Wake up Tricky...the majority may get a mild illness but for many others...and the global economy this IS the biggest crisis of all our lifetimes.

[swaledale]

Okay...have it your way...to most people the difference is that you can’t catch lung cancer or heart disease from other people.

FACTS are that 20,000 people have died directly from this pandemic in the last four months and another 28 in our tiny little island nation just today.

There have now been more deaths in nearby Spain than have been declared in China and the situation in New York is pretty damned desperate but never mind...in your pseudo macho world it’s nowt but a ‘sniffle’.

Wake up Tricky...the majority may get a mild illness but for many others...and the global economy this IS the biggest crisis of all our lifetimes.

Much as I hate to say it, Tricky does have a point and its one I've made and was finally addressed by the BBC, the fact is coronavirus is not going to kill many more people than would have died anyway from a respiratory disease.

That figure is roughly 56,000 in the Uk alone each year, due to smoking, poor lifestyle, poverty, flu, pneumonia etc. A lot of these deaths could be averted if, people didn't smoke, air pollution was addressed and poverty was addressed so that people did not live in poor housing and have poor diets.

The issue with coronavirus is not the numbers, its been admitted by the experts that it probably won't result in many more deaths than usual, the issue is that the sheer number of cases could overwhelm the NHS or other countries health service, meaning that other people would die because the health service wont be able to treat them.

Which to be fair to the government has been explained, we are not going to stop it, just slow down the rate of transmission.

[ramAnag]

Much as I hate to say it, Tricky does have a point and its one I've made and was finally addressed by the BBC, the fact is coronavirus is not going to kill many more people than would have died anyway from a respiratory disease.

That figure is roughly 56,000 in the Uk alone each year, due to smoking, poor lifestyle, poverty, flu, pneumonia etc. A lot of these deaths could be averted if, people didn't smoke, air pollution was addressed and poverty was addressed so that people did not live in poor housing and have poor diets.

The issue with coronavirus is not the numbers, its been admitted by the experts that it probably won't result in many more deaths than usual, the issue is that the sheer number of cases could overwhelm the NHS or other countries health service, meaning that other people would die because the health service wont be able to treat them.

Which to be fair to the government has been explained, we are not going to stop it, just slow down the rate of transmission.

Well there’s an unholy alliance if ever there was one. Good though that people of such different persuasions can set aside such differences to occasionally agree.

I completely agree with your second paragraph but beyond that I’m puzzled.

Clearly you make a fair point about the impact on the NHS, but to suggest that ‘it probably won’t result in many more deaths than usual’ makes no sense at all to me, as the figures and scenes that have emerged from both Italy and Spain over just the last month or so would suggest.

You do actually ‘stop it’ by slowing down the ‘rate of transmission’ allowing time for a vaccine to be discovered and developed. The trick then is to make such a vaccine universally available rather than just another means to make a vast profit.

That last sentence may be naively idealistic on my part, but then I speak as one who believes that it shouldn’t take a crisis to bring about free on site parking for NHS workers, and is still coming to terms with the most right wing PM since Thatcher apparently embracing a philosophy more akin to Communism.