Credit Where Due!

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Well I didn't know exactly what you meant and if you or anyone else is trying to pin this primarily on teachers then you, and anyone else and I are going to fall out big time. Not as I suppose this overly concerns either of us.

My wife is a retired Primary Head and my daughter is a primary school teacher so this subject is a red hot topic in our household.

Let's start from our day when if you got a clip around earhole and went home and told mum or dad you were likely to get another clip unless there was a damn good reason not to. Contrast that with now.

My wife retired 10 years ago a bit earlier than she planned to. No1 reason was the grief she got from some parents and lack of support from authority with regards to discipline. She demanded high standards and old fashioned values such as good manners. She dragged the school up the league tables but although supported by the many there were enough parents who bleated their Johnny or more likely Kai or Kayden was having too much pressure put on them. So sick of lack of support she left.

My daughter's colleague was left a mental wreck after an incident. A 10 year old boy accused her of physically assaulting him (grabbing him by the collar.) Lad's single mum went first to the playground mafia known as a facebook group with the accusation. Teacher was put on suspension until a formal investigation was arranged. It took 3 weeks during which teacher was off school with stress.There were no witnesses but fortunately there were so many inconsistencies in the child's story the case was dismissed. So who won? The mother had 2 more kids at the school and continued to gossip and post with her cronies in the playground. Teacher of course had no right of reply and traumatised by the situation left the school. My own daughter who always saw teaching as her own vocation now wants to leave the profession after just 5 years And what happened to the child. Nothing, zilch, f all. Mom and cronies and his mates all seem to think he has done something clever by stitching up this poor girl!

All I will add is in another 10 years that lad will be one of the chavs that we talking about on this thread. Teachers would love to introduce more discipline*into classrooms but I promise you the odds are stacked against them.

On a slightly different note did you know kids are now being sent to school not potty trained. In our time you were expected to have it sorted around 2 yo I think. The modern thinking is that today's children shouldn't be stressed by having to learn how to go to the toilet. Result is next door's 4 year old grandaughter thinks it great fun to go when and wherever in their house. My wife's mate has the same problem with her grandchild.So in our day teachers were there to teach us to read and write you can now include where to p1ss and sh1t in lessons.

When I hear this I feel like giving up and are not surprised when so many teachers do.

After all if toilet training is a bit to stressy for their little darlings what hope is there for a bit of discipline?

Totally can see exactly where you are coming from. My wife’s mother is a retired head and was a very good one at that and gave up with the pressure and demands. She very much liked working in schools to help the poorer kids but that was the problem! Parents were using the F word for their little Jonny getting too much homework or being shouted at etc etc. The abuse she received was awful and no back up!

The old saying is so true sadly - schools are better in nicer areas because they are self selecting with loving and educated parents whose kids attend and want to learn. Kids are a product of their parent and adopt their values. If a parent tells a teacher to f uck off or discourages work or gives any attention to a child - what chance do many have?

So sad as she loved her job but it’s the snowflakes who are above!!! At my daughters previous school there was a science teacher who taught kids of 10 years of age - best science teacher ever for this age group and used old and tested methods like Bunsen burners etc - one day as a few of the kids were so naughty he kicked a chair out of frustration. Teaching career over and so sad.

I meet friends in the US every July and one is a teacher - when I told her the starting salary of a teacher in the UK she was absolutely shocked!!!

For teachers who dedicate their love to kids and spend three years at university - they should be on double the pay!