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    Norder: My good man,nice to read your posts. Then ..... certain ideas what Vernon has makes one think more deeply , perhaps scary !
    But I tend not to agree with you on what you say, ''to reset the system'' Then my question is ,who will reset the new 'ideology'? Governments the world over have opposition,in Britain, Tories vs Labour ,and so forth. Each being at each others throats,''we will do everything to stop them coming into Government, coming into power! So surely the opposition,would cry out ''look what they are trying to do''! Not just in Britain so all over the world ! The world is polarized, Russia and the west, China and the west, Suni and Shia in the Middle East, even people are saying in Europe there is no solidarity ,no unity!

    Then you say ,my good man ,''the system built by the people for the people (£) has done its job'' I would not say so and possibly others too. Before I went to India I read 46% were living in poverty!
    One in ten around the world are unemployed while youth unemployment is particularly high. By virtue of its decentralised, balanced economy and emphasis on the cooperative sector.
    2030: The richest 1% will control two-thirds of World’s wealth. – House of Commons (UK) library figures
    2019: The world’s 26 richest people own the same wealth as the poorest half of humanity. – Oxfam
    2018: The super-rich accumulated 82% of the wealth created the year before – the poorest half of world got nothing. – Oxfam
    2016: World’s richest 62 people as wealthy as half of the world population.

    ''the move to the factory to "this" didn't take long and as growth is "Priority 1" Yes, if the system is Capitalism! But watch Capitalism 'has come to a sticky end', its dying, soon food for worms!

    ''then where can the people take it from here''?
    There is an Economic Theory called PROUT. I have mentioned it before ,yet nobody is interested! But it will come. It is a theory to replace the two economic systems.The Progressive Utilization Theory promotes grassroots-based economic democracy, emphasizing a decentralized, balanced economic setup and local planning. In order to achieve global integration, Prout delineates self-reliant economic zones defined by common cultural and economic factors eventually sustained by a world government. The basic values of Prout are those of Neohumanism. The theory was propounded by Shrii Prabhat Rainjan Sarkar (1922-1990).

    "Alternative visions are crucial at this moment in history.
    Prout's co-operative model of economic democracy, based on cardinal human values
    and sharing of the planet for the welfare of everyone, deserves our serious consideration."

    Noam Chomsky, Professor of Linguistics at MIT, Author, Social Critic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balanbam00 View Post
    Norder: My good man,nice to read your posts. Then ..... certain ideas what Vernon has makes one think more deeply , perhaps scary !
    But I tend not to agree with you on what you say, ''to reset the system'' Then my question is ,who will reset the new 'ideology'? Governments the world over have opposition,in Britain, Tories vs Labour ,and so forth. Each being at each others throats,''we will do everything to stop them coming into Government, coming into power! So surely the opposition,would cry out ''look what they are trying to do''! Not just in Britain so all over the world ! The world is polarized, Russia and the west, China and the west, Suni and Shia in the Middle East, even people are saying in Europe there is no solidarity ,no unity!

    imo....is all about conflict - Balam - it's their stock in trade - divide and rule, without going into the history...you know, its there for all to see...suffice to say, it's an internationally organised network - is always the People who suffer....us or them them or us. As for opposition, well what opposition....as the saying goes, different wings same bird - builders and destroyers...if there isn't a problem, they'll make one - as the Vote & Hope...narrative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Balanbam00 View Post
    Then you say ,my good man ,''the system built by the people for the people (£) has done its job'' I would not say so and possibly others too. Before I went to India I read 46% were living in poverty!
    One in ten around the world are unemployed while youth unemployment is particularly high. By virtue of its decentralised, balanced economy and emphasis on the cooperative sector.
    2030: The richest 1% will control two-thirds of World’s wealth. – House of Commons (UK) library figures
    2019: The world’s 26 richest people own the same wealth as the poorest half of humanity. – Oxfam
    2018: The super-rich accumulated 82% of the wealth created the year before – the poorest half of world got nothing. – Oxfam
    2016: World’s richest 62 people as wealthy as half of the world population.
    "system built by the people for the people" - people build it - people take from it ($£)...and when they cant take anymore, they look elswhere /change direction....the System - as you say, its a taker, isn't interested in balanced distribution....not enough profit to be had.

    Quote Originally Posted by Balanbam00 View Post
    ''the move to the factory to "this" didn't take long and as growth is "Priority 1" Yes, if the system is Capitalism! But watch Capitalism 'has come to a sticky end', its dying, soon food for worms!
    I hope so - also hope We can find a new way, do it ourselves.....quit the relaince on a mob who's made it their priority to keep the people in subservience - used them as slaves to feed their own greed and lust for power - whether thats your PROUT theory or a mix of the many other ideas - It failed the last time it was in consideration - a great movement of thinkers, the best way forward for the people, good ideas, no power behind the veil....of course, "they" didn't like it - so appeased us with a sneaky fake - called the Vote.

    Cheers.

    Last edited by Norder; 29-03-2020 at 10:29 PM.

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