O/T Prince Charles Tests Positive

[Trickytreesreds]

Thought this was a thread about the extent to which this damned virus can spread through all echelons of society regardless of class, status and privilege.

Not sure why it’s turned into a quarrel about who’s more working class than who, but if you’re really implying that ‘socialism, Marxism, Stalinism and collectivism’ are merely ‘communism’ by any other name then you’re very much mistaken, Tricky.

Well professor Plum, that is an interesting remark on that quote.

Communism is the political belief that all people are equal, that there should be no private ownership and that workers should control the means of producing things.
...the ultimate triumph of communism in the world.
Synonyms: socialism, Marxism, Stalinism, collectivism More Synonyms of communism

Not my words, that was direct quote from the Collins dictionary.

Maybe you need to take it with them, as you obviously know better.

[ramAnag]

Well professor Plum, that is an interesting remark on that quote.

Communism is the political belief that all people are equal, that there should be no private ownership and that workers should control the means of producing things.
...the ultimate triumph of communism in the world.
Synonyms: socialism, Marxism, Stalinism, collectivism More Synonyms of communism

Not my words, that was direct quote from the Collins dictionary.

Maybe you need to take it with them, as you obviously know better.

Professor Plum...lol! Suppose it makes a change from your usual ‘professeur’ jibe.
Fair point Tricky...but you need to read the ‘small print’. A synonym is defined as ‘a word or phrase that means exactly OR nearly the same as another word or phrase’.

In post #68 you implied that communism, socialism, collectivism, Marxism and Leninism were all the same. They’re not and though you have repeatedly referred elsewhere to Corbyn as being a ‘Communist’...he’s not either.

Sure there are lots of similarities and if you were to draw a Venn diagram - not really my strongpoint - there’d be lots of overlaps just as there would - as Swale has already suggested - if you included fascism in the list.

My point is that it is a classic oversimplification on your part to try and make out that the five ‘isms’ you identified are the same, just as it would be to suggest that capitalism and socialism are incompatible when there are at least four forms of capitalism - GP can probably list more - displaying varying degrees of social responsibility.

[swaledale]

Professor Plum...lol! Suppose it makes a change from your usual ‘professeur’ jibe.
Fair point Tricky...but you need to read the ‘small print’. A synonym is defined as ‘a word or phrase that means exactly OR nearly the same as another word or phrase’.

In post #68 you implied that communism, socialism, collectivism, Marxism and Leninism were all the same. They’re not and though you have repeatedly referred elsewhere to Corbyn as being a ‘Communist’...he’s not either.

Sure there are lots of similarities and if you were to draw a Venn diagram - not really my strongpoint - there’d be lots of overlaps just as there would - as Swale has already suggested - if you included fascism in the list.

My point is that it is a classic oversimplification on your part to try and make out that the five ‘isms’ you identified are the same, just as it would be to suggest that capitalism and socialism are incompatible when there are at least four forms of capitalism - GP can probably list more - displaying varying degrees of social responsibility.

RA its a classic case of somebody trying to understand concepts that are beyond his intellectual capacity.

[Trickytreesreds]

RA its a classic case of somebody trying to understand concepts that are beyond his intellectual capacity.

Wow, a man rises from humble working class stock. the 2 up 2 down champion, to the worlds biggest psycolanalyst of politics within a life time.
A Ken Barlow of champions of terrace housing. One minute he's learning to grade spuds, then a spell at university changes everything.
Behold mortals, the messiah has returned

Stalin, born to a poor family in Gori, joined the Russian social democratic Labour party
Hitler born in Austria before moving to Germany in 1913. fought as a private in the great war. then joined the German workers party in 1919.

Nope, no sign of communism there. But the fundamental connection was SOCIALISM.
If you read it all again, it connects all the factions of political leanings of the left.
Where as socialism sounds like a utopia of wonder for the lower classes. It has never been workable on its own.
It goes either one way or the other.
To a communist or capitalist leaning.

Now back to the Guardian you two,. The thinking, intellectual mans left wing rag is doing a great piece by Owen Jones, on how COVID 19 is targetting gays deliberately.

[swaledale]

Wow, a man rises from humble working class stock. the 2 up 2 down champion, to the worlds biggest psycolanalyst of politics within a life time.
A Ken Barlow of champions of terrace housing. One minute he's learning to grade spuds, then a spell at university changes everything.
Behold mortals, the messiah has returned

Stalin, born to a poor family in Gori, joined the Russian social democratic Labour party
Hitler born in Austria before moving to Germany in 1913. fought as a private in the great war. then joined the German workers party in 1919.

Nope, no sign of communism there. But the fundamental connection was SOCIALISM.
If you read it all again, it connects all the factions of political leanings of the left.
Where as socialism sounds like a utopia of wonder for the lower classes. It has never been workable on its own.
It goes either one way or the other.
To a communist or capitalist leaning.

Now back to the Guardian you two,. The thinking, intellectual mans left wing rag is doing a great piece by Owen Jones, on how COVID 19 is targetting gays deliberately.

Jeeze even for you the mangling of what label is attached to an organisation and what that organisation actually does or how it gets manipulated by those in power in order to conform with your "victimhood" is astounding.

There are so called think tanks with innocent sounding names that are actually fronts for those pushing extreme right wing views.

Socialism as with any other "ism" can mean whatever the person using it wants it to mean, for ****s sake, many Americans think that all european countries are marxist, communist or socialist states when that is quite obviously not the case!

As for your snide critic of the guardian, mm for someone who quotes the daily express as a news source thats and extreme case of the kettle calling the pot black!

[ramAnag]

Wow, a man rises from humble working class stock. the 2 up 2 down champion, to the worlds biggest psycolanalyst of politics within a life time.
A Ken Barlow of champions of terrace housing. One minute he's learning to grade spuds, then a spell at university changes everything.
Behold mortals, the messiah has returned

Stalin, born to a poor family in Gori, joined the Russian social democratic Labour party
Hitler born in Austria before moving to Germany in 1913. fought as a private in the great war. then joined the German workers party in 1919.

Nope, no sign of communism there. But the fundamental connection was SOCIALISM.
If you read it all again, it connects all the factions of political leanings of the left.
Where as socialism sounds like a utopia of wonder for the lower classes. It has never been workable on its own.
It goes either one way or the other.
To a communist or capitalist leaning.

Now back to the Guardian you two,. The thinking, intellectual mans left wing rag is doing a great piece by Owen Jones, on how COVID 19 is targetting gays deliberately.

If you’re going to have a go at me, Tricky at least respond to my reply (post#83) rather than Swale’s observation, via a series of curious facts that somehow link Ken Barlow to Owen Jones via Stalin and Hitler.

I honestly haven’t a clue who’s been ‘grading spuds’, who the ‘Messiah’ is meant to be or what Hitler moving from Austria to Germany before becoming Private Adolf has got to do with any of this, so I’ll just await further clarification.

P.S. Just seen your other post.
Corbyn and Abbott are soon going to be on the periphery of UK politics and are entirely irrelevant to this debate.
My views are my own and I don’t feel the need to follow what you consider the public consensus.
You’ve quoted a Daily Telegraph poll...remind me who Johnson used to write for.

[Trickytreesreds]

If you’re going to have a go at me, Tricky at least respond to my reply (post#83) rather than Swale’s observation, via a series of curious facts that somehow link Ken Barlow to Owen Jones via Stalin and Hitler.

I honestly haven’t a clue who’s been ‘grading spuds’, who the ‘Messiah’ is meant to be or what Hitler moving from Austria to Germany before becoming Private Adolf has got to do with any of this, so I’ll just await further clarification.

P.S. Just seen your other post.
Corbyn and Abbott are soon going to be on the periphery of UK politics and are entirely irrelevant to this debate.
My views are my own and I don’t feel the need to follow what you consider the public consensus.
You’ve quoted a Daily Telegraph poll...remind me who Johnson used to write for.

ffs RA what do you want?
I quoted the first pol google threw up.
You're like a squaddie in the trenches only believing what the King George rag King and Country told you.

What do you want?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics.../Boris_Johnson
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4392021.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9420526.html

Oh hang on a minute, I forgot. The Guardian has to tell you the truth doesn't it?
You sir are becoming the epitomy of what folks are saying the Guardian infiltrates. Teaching/the BBC/ and so on.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/polls

[swaledale]

ffs RA what do you want?
I quoted the first pol google threw up.
You're like a squaddie in the trenches only believing what the King George rag King and Country told you.

What do you want?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics.../Boris_Johnson
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4392021.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9420526.html

Oh hang on a minute, I forgot. The Guardian has to tell you the truth doesn't it?
You sir are becoming the epitomy of what folks are saying the Guardian infiltrates. Teaching/the BBC/ and so on.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/polls

Presumably these "folks" you talk about are of a similar bent to you? I.E avoid responding to the facts by either not giving an answer or responding with paragraphs of gibberish which you gleaned from google.

You see thats another problem you have, as well as having a decidedly myopic one sided view of life, your completely unable to absorb or understand any information that doesn't accord to your rather quaint view of the world, have a massive chip on your shoulder because you lack the intelligence to analyse and understand complex concepts, view anyone with the intellectual ability greater than a gnat with suspicion and have this charming belief that life is black and white.

PS You should know that whilst the internet is fine source of information, not all that information is true, not even when it confirms your own prejudices.

PPS Every time you post you do just demonstrate your complete lack of understanding of how the world works! Its rather funny and definitely very entertaining.

[Trickytreesreds]

Professor Plum...lol! Suppose it makes a change from your usual ‘professeur’ jibe.
Fair point Tricky...but you need to read the ‘small print’. A synonym is defined as ‘a word or phrase that means exactly OR nearly the same as another word or phrase’.

In post #68 you implied that communism, socialism, collectivism, Marxism and Leninism were all the same. They’re not and though you have repeatedly referred elsewhere to Corbyn as being a ‘Communist’...he’s not either.

Sure there are lots of similarities and if you were to draw a Venn diagram - not really my strongpoint - there’d be lots of overlaps just as there would - as Swale has already suggested - if you included fascism in the list.

My point is that it is a classic oversimplification on your part to try and make out that the five ‘isms’ you identified are the same, just as it would be to suggest that capitalism and socialism are incompatible when there are at least four forms of capitalism - GP can probably list more - displaying varying degrees of social responsibility.

In essense, there is not much to answer because you already did.

I quoted direct from the Collins dictionary as I knew someone would dive in head first.
Of course communism, socialism, collectivism, Marxism and Leninism are not the same. But they overlap in many ways and always start at the softer end of the scale. Even the hardest communist countries started with the socialist people power and equality slogan.
Now my point was, if the dictionary has lumped then together. Then they must ultimately be very difficult to seperate into definite classes.

As for Corbyn and you claim he isn't a communist? Think about his preachings, beliefs, desires, friends and allies.

From the same source as before.

Communism is the political belief that all people are equal and that workers should control the means of producing things.
...the ultimate triumph of communism in the world.
Synonyms: socialism, Marxism, Stalinism, collectivism More Synonyms of communism

Now seeing as comrade Corbyn cannot come out as a communist, he's playing the peoples socialist friend.
He's never done himself any favours with his anti British rants/terrorist friends/ hatred of the armed forces/anti Jewish feelings etc.
Ultimately, the population never bought it. Worst leader since 1923 FACT!!!!

[ramAnag]

Of course communism, socialism, collectivism, Marxism and Leninism are not the same.

I rest my case. The rest was just noisy repetition...stop shouting.